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Senate Gun Control

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    Or credible sources that support his argument. ;)
     
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  2. LandoThe CapeCalrissian

    LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I cant see how the NRA would be against universal back ground checks...

    you should watch the recent Bill Maher episode.. Great piece on the gun issue... A gentleman said both sides have great points. He even though a gun license should be equal to a car license.
     
  3. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Juliet316 - stop spamming the thread with gun control stuff please. Jeez....:p
     
  4. LandoThe CapeCalrissian

    LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    dude British Journal of Medicine.. you need more than that odnt you...


    so google it yourself and find some material on it. You asked me for sources, I gave you 3 super credible sources. you choose not to like them that's your problem.
     
  5. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Poor Juliet. :p
     
  6. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    I can slap an important sounding name on my argument too. Doesn't mean it's properly sourced. Plus I am not the one making claims, the onus is on you to support your argument.
     
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  7. Point Given

    Point Given Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Good luck getting him to do that.
     
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  8. LandoThe CapeCalrissian

    LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    british journal of medicine and two super credible NY Tinmes articles...

    youre proven wrong now go play in the yard.
     
  9. RC-1991

    RC-1991 Jedi Master star 4

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    NY Times isn't a peer-reviewed source.
     
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  10. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Again...not cited. - Journal of Logic and Reason, Harvard University, 2013

    EDIT: I'm also confused how I can be proven wrong when I have yet to make any sort of claim...what-so-ever.
     
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  11. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    OK, so the former mod in me is taking over and he is saying this is wholly and wildly off topic. If you wish to discuss deficiencies in the criminal justice system and how vengeance is not sated by justice nor does jurisprudence give sufficient weight to revenge, then you should start a new thread.

    This thread is about gun control, it should therefore limit it's scope to... gun control.

    Sup, GrandAdmiralJello, MarcusP2, JoinTheSchwarz ?
     
  12. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    Listen Capes, it's been shown that your NYT articles are opinion pieces and not the peer reviewed data that was asked for in support of your scientific claims.

    The BMJ page was certainly credible looking, but on brief inspection proved not to support the argument you were making.

    Your evidence, such as it is, does not support your argument, such as it is.
     
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  13. LandoThe CapeCalrissian

    LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    british journal of medicine is....

    it included a 10 year study as well.

    and the TIMES has some credibility wouldn't you say???
     
  14. LandoThe CapeCalrissian

    LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Youngling star 3

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    youre 100% wrong. like you usually tend to be on just about everything I see you posting.
     
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  15. Stackpole_The_Hobbit

    Stackpole_The_Hobbit Jedi Master star 6

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    I remember the days when that didn't work :p

    I think the desire shown by some to assassinate criminals rather than afford them a trial by jury and civilised sentencing for their crimes is a good reason for fewer guns. BOOM, TIED IT ALL UP SUCKAS

    EDIT: YOU DIDN'T LINK THE GODDAMN BMJ YOU LINKED A STORY ABOUT AN EDITORIAL IN THE BMJ THAT DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOU SAID IT WAS SAYING HOLY ****
     
  16. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I would've suggested that it got off course when everybody decided that they had to reply to every post that a particular user made, instead of just having a bit of self-discipline and writing it off. :p

    But I suspect people keep going because they find it entertaining. So I'll make the following suggestion (and my fellow Community mods are free to harden that suggestion into a command if they think it needs to be done): stop going post-by-post with Cape, and you might find the topic will get back on track. I really have to imagine that there's nothing to be gained from trying to continue the argument with him on any topic du jour.

    But that's up to you all. Do you want an actual discussion on gun control (or anything else?) or do you just want to argue with Cape?

    edit: Actually, nevermind. Going into mod mode after reading the above post.

    Drop the whole justice/rehabilitation line of discussion and cool down everyone -- you can still talk about gun control if you want, but let's try and settle things down and avoid going post by post and getting overly invested in argument.
     
  17. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    Does it have to be either/or?

    Sorry, sorry. I'll be good now.
     
  18. Fire_Ice_Death

    Fire_Ice_Death Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I think as this relates to gun control I'd say that the vigilantism and auto-executions for these crimes are relevant. Not that they should dominate this thread, but that they are tangentially-related.

    Edit: made before Jello crashed the party.
     
  19. Spider-Fan

    Spider-Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Can we give him an Arlol type thread where those who are entertained by his "arguments" can go to satiate their entertainment? Happy middle ground? :p
     
  20. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    I will just jump in here and reiterate that Obama is looking in the wrong direction if he wants to prevent another Newtown massacre. He needs to look to better and more specialised law enforcement. That is the key. Universal background checks and restrictions on weapons and ammo is of course helpful but those measures only deal with the process of acquiring a gun legally. If somebody is intent on owning a certain kind of gun, then they will own one. In Australia, we have had a strict weapons ban in place since 1996 but we still find Uzis showing up in urban shootings.

    The problem is what happens after the gun is legally acquired. That is a law enforcement issue. This is where the focus needs to be. This is where real change can be made without the pesky second amendment and the NRA crying foul about the government taking away God given rights.
     
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  21. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    I propose the UN forces the USA to change the constitution to allow Piers Morgan to rule over America as God Emperor.
     
  22. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Hoth, I think you need to crucially note the Uzi (from the images it was a micro-uzi, I believe) was linked to OMC/biker gangs, and there was never any scope for that weapon to be made available legally in Australia. Similarly the shootings, whilst useful in so far as ridding us of ********* in southwest Sydney (note: their participation in petty crime and generally anti-social disposition is what earns my ire and not their location or ethnicity), are confined to criminal enterprise.

    So I actually think the focus needs to be on as much before it is acquired, and by that I mean barring certain people access, as it does about what happens after it's acquired.

    *You should know better
     
  23. yankee8255

    yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think you're overestimating the liklihood of the NRA acting reasonably. Case in point: The Pediatricians vs. the NRA
     
  24. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If the NRA was smart, which they most assuredly are not, they would give up a bit of territory (by supporting something like universal background checks, with no loopholes) to preserve most of what they already have. Instead, they continue to fight for every last bit of ground, which is a poor strategy. They'll end up giving up a lot more later on than they would have if they had been more reasonable earlier on. It may take years, but it will happen.
     
  25. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Universal background checks might mean slower gun sales, which would hurt the gun manufacturers who bankroll the NRA. Financial incentive is the only thing that could drive them to be so vociferous in the face of overwhelming public opinion.
     
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