Senate Gun Control

Are you as outraged over the male versions? Or is it just an "OMG War on Women" thing?


BTW....Our own Department of Homeland Security uses pregnant women and children as targets, as part of their "No More Hesitation" training.

 

That would be great for the next Die Hard movie. John McClane takes on a terrorist army of little kids armed with "My First Rifle."

 

Oh, I think I understand. It's okay to sell products for people wishing to indulge scary homicidal revenge fantasies RE: their ex-lovers because the Federal government encourages police officers to shoot kids.

 

Speaking for myself, I'm not outraged by it, just vaguely disappointed in humanity. I find the idea of buying a life size doll to act out your violent fantasies alien and I'm slightly depressed that there's a market for such things.

The fact that the only female is called 'the ex' is obnoxiously misogynistic.

And this is relevant because a responsible gun owner should practice shooting bits off his ex wife before committing the act itself.

This is also relevant because the DHS targets also explode with blood.

This is also relevant because Homeland Security agents have unhealthy urges to shoot children and pregnant women.

You make the best arguments. Never change.

 

It just never ceases to amaze me how much faux-outrage people can have.

Shinjo, 1st of all, the NRA didn't have anything to do with the zombie target you linked to. A private company, Zombie Industries makes them. I guess the only connection is that the company had a booth at the convention? But that was just pointless political posturing, and meaningless to the overall issue.

And 2nd of all, unlike Aytee above, I don't think the targets have anything to do with real life. The Homeland security targets obviously have a specific training function. The zombie targets...well, they're zombies, for Romero's sake. More people watch the Walking Dead, which is probably AMC's most popular show (I don't know how it compares to Mad Men in sheer numbers), which has more female zombies getting shot than a zombie target ever will. Fans of the show might remember the little girl zombie from the very first episode. Or Hannah, the mother/wife zombie, who was also in the early episodes, and who Rick specifically shot in the head as a mercy killing... OH NOES! AMC is glorifying spouse abuse! (If one could even label shooting a zombie as a mercy killing, because 1) zombies aren't alive, and 2) zombies aren't real....) It's completely strange to even think of zombies in terms of gender identity anyway, which the author of the link seems obsessed with.As was pointed out, the company makes 20+/- different targets, one of which happens to be a female zombie, and suddenly, someone is calling for hashtag banning when all they should do is probably develop some perspective. Does the Walking Dead promote misogyny? What about a sizeable subgenre of rap music which contains misogynist lyrics, and may promote degrading and/or violent imagery? I hope the target company never comes out with robot targets and happens to make one female. Because completely made up sci-fi robots have rights too, and they might take offense.

Does anyone need a zombie target? Probably not. But does anyone need to produce a show as violent as Walking Dead? Or make music as rough as Cam'ron? Probably not as well. But if you don't like any of these, just don't buy them. It's not that difficult, or at least have a discussion about which niche all of these things occupy within human behavior.

 

Yes let's change the topic to banning TV, films and black devil music.

 

Yeah... how does this long-haired, big-breasted, bra-wearing doll called "The Ex" have a gender?

 

Dude, you do understand the difference between gender on its own, and the idea of gender identity, right? Because um, otherwise your post has nothing to do with nothing.

 

You are arguing that the existence of a violent, fictional television show is equal to real life violence. Talk about nothing to do with nothing.
Go ahead and find a new scapegoat please.

 

Mr44 the problem is that the author of the post didn't do that, the manufacturer did. An "ex-girlfriend" is a specifies a particular type of human relationship that can only be filled by someone with a female identity. Pointing out the unfortunate implications of that choice doesn't make the author its origin.

 

Lando, are you sure you're referencing the right person, because I was actually arguing the opposite....

However, the author of the link Shinjo supplied was making that very point, which I was highlighting how absurd it was. The point of the author was that producing zombie targets (one of which happened to be female) was causing men to act out violently against women, and everyone should "hashtag boycott" the company. But if that's true, then a show like The Walking Dead has probably more than 100x the instances of men acting against female zombies. But see, my point is that most people realize that zombies aren't real, and things like zombie targets or a zombie show is fantasy, and gender issues don't readily translate into the zombie genre. Do you see the point? Hey look, here's another example of the female gender! It's the alien queen from Aliens, and it's even laying eggs:





Ripley sure must have been anti-motherhood in trying to take her out! But hey, the idea of the aliens gender on its own doesn't translate into real world gender issues, unless you're so single-mindedly focused on such. Let's alert the blogger and see if we can get all copies of Aliens banned. But then again, such a person would probably see things like a line which asks for "sex" on an application, and snicker out loud, because they only focus on the act, and not that it may have other meanings as well....

 

Yes, because they call her a zombie (because I guess she doesn't have pupils?) it's completely alright and sane and responsible to shoot at it.

I think all life-like targets that squirt blood regardless of the gender and are titled "The Ex" (when domestic violence of both genders are a significant problem) are a disgusting thing to sell. I'm not calling for it to be illegal, just that it kind of makes obvious my belief that you should have to receive a background check in order to buy a gun when people are buying something to put bullet holes in that resembles their ex-lover. Domestic violence is a large problem in this country. It disproportionately it targeted at women, which is why I highlighted this one rather than a man, so spare me the sarcastic "OMG war on women!" comments. Any target that is marketed toward angry ex's that want to shoot bullets at a resemblance of their ex-girlfriend or boyfriend is reprehensible, no?

Yes, 44, how am I so stupid? The alien with one eye and tentacles and wings is exactly the same as a human-like figure called the Ex Girlfriend.

The Homeland Security preparation isn't even relevant so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm assuming that the point of that program is to train officers to be prepared to take out a shooter no matter how innocent they appear. They're not doing it for fun...it's their job.

Also, I'm aware the NRA don't own the rights to it. But it was also on sale at their convention and they should take responsibility for the items sold at their show.

44 or any other Republicans here...do you find anything at all wrong with those targets?

 

Calling a lifesize female doll a zombie toy is a copout. It's a shooting target, forget the name of the company making it.

 

Scared isn't the right word. Contempt? Suspicion regarding the functionality of said individual's manhood?

 

I don't, and I am not even a Republican (or close). I think it is funny that the NRA would do something so tonedeaf, but this is a fauxtraversy.

 

No, you're right. An insectoid extra-terrestrial doesn't say much about human gender relations.

But in this case, again, we are talking about something marked it as "the ex-girlfriend." The purchaser's ex-girlfriend. How doesn't that directly address real world gender issues?

 

To be clear, I don't think it should be illegal and I don't think it's really that big of a deal. I mean I'm not surprised or that outraged. I just think it's frankly disgusting, insensitive, and telling of people with gun fetishes.

 

Wocky, first off all, have you actually looked at the actual product, or are you just going by what was being claimed here? Because I can't see anywhere on the company's actual website that markets anything as an ex-girlfriend. The target is labeled as "Alexa," among others zombies listed as "Phil," or "Bobo" or "Leo." It seems like all the zombies have different names, of which "Alexa" is no different. Look for yourself:

http://zombieindustries.com/shop/category/bleeding-zombie-targets/]ZOMBIE[/url] INC

Again, the only person that I could find who tried to claim that it was marketed as an "ex-girlfriend" was here, but that claim seems to be either a projection or an assumption or both. So, I'm sorry if I don't put stock into someone else's agenda. Not to mention the fact that the NRA itself has about as much to do with this actual product than the Chicago Comic-con has over what comics Marvel publishes.

But yeah, even if I missed it somewhere and the company was actually marketing this zombie as "the ex," I wouldn't be bothered by it. At least no more than I'm bothered by the movie Hostel, or violent music lyrics, or Hentai, or anything else. Because labeling a zombie target as the "ex girlfriend" has a certain twisted humor to it, which again, is no different than a female singer singing about "carving her name in her exes 4 wheel drive.." in order to rally her girl fans, or an Angela Basset movie which shows her lighting her ex-husband's Porsche on fire... Because if I come across something that I don't think I'd be interested in, I just don't buy it, but I support that everyone has different tastes. And more importantly, as the saying goes, free speech covers what is unpopular just as much as what might be popular.

But what I am amazed about is how strict politics seem to clouds people's judgement. You, Shinjo, etc..always defend things like movies, or rap lyrics, or violent video games, but then act all indignant over a silly zombie target, for no other reason than a zombie target is somehow supposed to be "right wing," as if that is a valid concern. It comes off as you're hypocritical. But Shinjo's original link is precisely why there will never be a serious discussion about violence in the US. Because the same country that has movies like Hostel, and torture porn, or violent lyrics from Akinyele and Lil John, or tv shows like Walking Dead and Dexter, and Bates Motel, or video games like Silent Hill or Resident Evil, it suddenly becomes an issue because some company somewhere offers a girl zombie target for sale, and that's what causes violence. Oh the Humanity!

Note for Lando in case he misreads what this post is about. I'm not saying that tv shows, or movies, or songs, or video games cause violence, I'm just saying I don't see how a zombie target is any better or any worse, and unlike the the original blogger, I'm not worried that a zombie target, be it male, female, or feral wolf, will have any more of an impact on gender relations than any of the other things.

 

Meh, Wocky is as much of a social conservative as you are, Mr.44. I've heard him rant about "torture porn" before.

But that is a very old and very boring line of inquiry that confuses aesthetics with morality, even if those doing the complaining wish to assert otherwise.

 

Mr44, please tell me what you find at the end of this link: http://zombieindustries.com/shop/the-ex-zombie-target/‎

Yeah. It is. Just to reiterate.

Where was I defending all this stuff? Remind us? And I've never complained about anything being excessively violent or inappropriately sexual?

Because I know it's certainly not the case that you switch desperately between obfuscation and attack strawmen rather than substantively address an issue.

Oh, wait.

 

So when I have I ever defended rap lyrics or violent video games? I'd like to know.

On a side note, I think it's ridiculous that the same people who blame video games for gun violence regard this as just "twisted humor." Because Halo teaches children to be violent, but letting them shoot at a life-like human target that squirts blood is funny.

I never said the doll causes violence. I just think it's primarily marketed toward lunatics who shouldn't have guns. And the difference between this and The Walking Dead and Halo is that one involves real guns in real life with a life-like target that is real and bleeds and the others are on my television screen.

Again, I don't think this is some giant scandal or even that big of a deal. I just think it's kind of demented and provides a great example of why people who buy guns should have to go through a background check.

There you go again...

As many of us have pointed out, here you are acting all offended and sighing that we're the partisans. Why is it that if I find this target repulsive and in horrible taste I am only doing it because it's "right win" but you're allowed to defend this thing as "twisted humor" (your words) and come off as non-partisan?

QFT

 

Google still has it cached as 'The Ex': http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ing-zombie-targets/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Hard to miss if you search for "zombieindustries.com the ex".

 

Maybe she's an ex-Zombie, and has been cured of her undead ways. With, err... a bullet to the face.

 

It's hard to imagine they're not a bunch of stereotyping halfwits when you look at 'the terrorist'.

 

Or in the details section where it notes it's biodegradable to make the "tree huggers" happy.