main
side
curve
  1. Welcome to the new boards! Details here!

Senate Gun Control

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 1999
    Does beezel have two old friends incarcerated because of form 4473?
     
  2. Darth-Lando

    Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Ft. Hood in April of this year. That is kind of different since it is military though. That, and the one in 2009 (you know, the other Ft. Hood shooting in the past 5 years) would be unlikely to be changed even with tighter gun control. You may have to go back to Luby's shooting in '91 for a good old-fashioned civilian murder spree. And then of course there's the infamous Bell Tower Sniper at UT in '66.
     
  3. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Pretty sure Jabba was being facetious.
     
  4. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

    Registered:
    Mar 12, 2005
    99% of the time, it's safe to assume that he is. It's one of his most endearing qualities and talents.
     
    anakinfansince1983 likes this.
  5. Wanderguard

    Wanderguard Jedi Padawan star 1

    Registered:
    May 15, 2014
    Right, the fact that it was a military shooting might be why I didn't recall.

    I would be curious to see gun violence statistics in states with stricter gun control vs. states without. I know Illinois is pretty strict compared to Texas and it seemingly hasn't helped inner-city Chicago. I hate to say that with how much I love that city, though.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  6. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 1999
    unfortunately, it's a true story about how crime doesn't pay because the feds insist on monitoring handgun purchases.
     
  7. Kimball_Kinnison

    Kimball_Kinnison Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Oct 28, 2001
    Studies have basically shown that strict gun control doesn't appear to have any correlation with decreased gun violence. Most of the variation appears to be better explained by demographics (particularly population density) than by the strictness of gun control.

    Where it is the most noticeable is in areas near state borders, where the demographics are similar on both sides of the border, but the crime rates are different. One such place is Northern Virginia/DC/Maryland. Maryland and DC have strict gun control laws, and have higher crime rates, while Virginia's laws are more relaxed and so are the crime rates. However, if you then compare with other parts of Maryland (excepting the Baltimore area), you will find similarly reduced rates in Western Maryland as well as on the Eastern Shore. Similarly, you find higher crime rates in Virginia in the Richmond, Newport News, and Norfolk areas (although not as high as DC or Baltimore) than you do in the more rural areas.
     
  8. Wanderguard

    Wanderguard Jedi Padawan star 1

    Registered:
    May 15, 2014
    I thought as much. Kind of makes me think even more that gun violence is tied to the same risk factors as violent crime in general, and that addressing things like poverty and lack of education would be more a more effective method than gun regulations.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  9. Ezio Skywalker

    Ezio Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Don't other democratic countries have stricter gun laws and less gun violence?
     
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  10. FatBurt

    FatBurt Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Jul 21, 2003
    Yes we do (UK)
     
  11. Wanderguard

    Wanderguard Jedi Padawan star 1

    Registered:
    May 15, 2014
    To be fair, they probably have a healthier relationship with guns altogether.

    Also, to clarify, I'm not against sensible gun regulations. I AM against regulations being determined by people who don't know enough about guns and gun ownership to come up with something effective and realistic.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  12. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

    Registered:
    Feb 18, 2001
    I feel like this is an American centric assertion.

    However, I understand another mass shooting occurred, so I am keen to hear a bunch of entitled white men wringing their hands over how little to nothing can actually be done and it's "not that bad".
     
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  13. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

    Registered:
    Aug 23, 1999
    Literally, nothing can be done.

    The only way to prevent mass shootings through gun control is to enact legislation like Australia did. It would NEVER pass here.

    As obnoxious as your racial self-hatred is, the fact remains that a solution to this problem requires a severe culture change that will not happen anytime soon. Pardon me and K_K and Mr44 for being white and male and also noticing this fact.
     
    ForgottennJedi1986 likes this.
  14. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

    Registered:
    Feb 18, 2001
    lol, racial self-hatred.
     
  15. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

    Registered:
    Aug 23, 1999
    Please, name a specific, attainable goal which Americans, either legislatively or through community action can take in order to reduce the incidence of spree killings.
     
  16. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

    Registered:
    Feb 18, 2001
    I suppose you said attainable, so having courage enough to tackle the issue through legislative reform is right out...
     
  17. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

    Registered:
    Aug 23, 1999
    It doesn't matter if any legislators have the courage to sponsor a bill. Republicans, the gun lobby, and gun-owning constituents will not let an effective gun control measure pass.

    As far as I can tell, hand-wringing is about all that can be done.
     
  18. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Feb 15, 2000
    That's the spirit!
     
  19. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

    Registered:
    Feb 18, 2001
    We're lucky, Lost. No Constitution.
     
  20. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 16, 2000
    Well, we've got a Constitution, but luckily it looks and reads more like a public service manual of instructions than a declaration of war.
     
  21. Ezio Skywalker

    Ezio Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Americans scream about the constitution whenever gun regulations are brought up, but when employers fire people for complaining about their jobs on Facebook, no one is screaming FIRST AMENDMENT!

    Clearly the Second Amendment means more than freedom of speech.
     
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  22. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 16, 2000
    The US's steadfast guardians of First Amendment rights are porn magazine producers and journalists who get sued by Harlan Ellison for breaking contracts not to call what he does "sci-fi".
     
  23. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Mar 19, 1999
    It's subtle, but gun ownership is first amendment speech. Once I understood that the first and second amendment had cross bred and genetically mutated into a new drug-resistant superstrain passage of text in the bill of rights, then I finally learned everything I'll ever need to know about U.S. Constitutional law.
     
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  24. Darth-Lando

    Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Some people do. But they are idiots because that's not what the First Amendment means. Now, if someone was being arrested for something they posted on Facebook, then yes, it's time to bring out your pocket Constitution.
     
  25. Ezio Skywalker

    Ezio Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 29, 2013