VIDEO Halo 4

Discussion in 'Games' started by Darth_Invidious, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. BLemelisk Force Ghost

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    I really like where this series is going.

    While part of me would rather have the original HALO:CE idea of them just being humans, or with H3's idea of them finding humanity at the last minute before firing the Array, I do think their fleshing out the past is going to make the future games very compelling.

    The only thing I don't like is their altering the Forerunner architectural style, but I can live with it because the new stuff is cool to look at in its own way.
  2. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    I preferred things back when the accepted wisdom was that the Forerunners were ancient humans, yeah, and I'm not especially fond of Bungie backtracking on it -- especially since they backtracked in terminals, while leaving Guilty Spark in the game to say "YOU ARE FORERUNNER" (because, yeah, that's not going to confuse anyone...). That being said, the current status quo is pretty damn interesting in itself.
  3. Darth_Invidious Chosen One

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    I don't think Bungie ever hinted that the Forerunners were ancient humans. As 343GS stated right before the YOU ARE FORERUNNER line, humanity is simply inheritor of all they left behind (i.e., their technology -possibly thanks to the Librarian - and even the very Mantle of Responsibility itself).

    However, the story told on Halo 4 in regards to Didact and Librarian seriously contradict that told in the Halo 3 terminals. There we saw a tale of the Forerunner/Flood war which painted the sad end of a centuries old love story, whereas we now see those two ended their relationship in less than cordial ways. Or maybe what was told in the H3 terminals was just a bit of sanitized rewriting for the sake of salving the author's guilty conscience?
  4. BLemelisk Force Ghost

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    Some guy from Bungie that worked on Halo:CE has been quoted as saying that while working on that game, the general idea around the office was that the Forerunners were themselves just ancient humans. Really makes 343's "the last time you asked me, if it were my choice, would I?" line make total sense, instead of having to go for a non-literal interpretation now.

    Also, the terminals from Halo 3 presented such a great tragic love story between the Didact and the Librarian. I still like their story now, but it feels a little overly complex. Then again that could be the result of Halo 4 trying to throw a trilogy of novels worth of back story into a few cutscenes and video terminals.
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  5. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    "You are the child of my makers, inheritors of everything they left behind: you are Forerunner" implies no more or less than humanity are the descendants of the Forerunner. Not to mention "Reclaimer" only really makes sense in the context of, well, reclaiming something.

    Humanity aren't reclaiming the technology of the Forerunners and/or the Mantle if they never originally possessed it. That said, things can now be twisted around so it's a reference to the Reclaimation of ancient humanity's former status.

    My understanding is that there are two Didacts. There's the original one, then the one created by the copy of the original's personality getting implanted into some other dude. The Didact of the Halo 3 terminals is, at least according to what I can gather via lurking various Halo forums, the latter, while the Didact in Halo 4 is the original. This would also serve as an explanation as to why the Halo 4 Didact's symbol differs from that of the Terminal Didact.

    I don't know. As much as I felt like Halo 4 was more in step with all the peripheral material than previous titles, my working knowledge of the Halo EU is far from spectacular.
  6. Darth_Invidious Chosen One

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    Ok, points taken. However, the point can be made that ancient humanity's struggle against the Flood (mainly their purging of infected worlds) perhaps made them in the eyes of some Forerrunners - the Librarian included - as inheritors of the Mantle of Responsability. And perhaps that is why both the Monitors and the Librarian herself called humanity and the MC "Reclaimers", as in that they are the reclaimers/inheritors of said Mantle. Notice how the Didact never called John "Reclaimer"; in his eyes humanity is not worthy of the Mantle.

    I have only the slightest knowledge of the plot of those Greg Bear novels but yes, I'm familiar with the two Didacts thing. However, that complicates things even further. If the original Didact was killed/executed, he can't be the one John freed on Requiem. But if the Bornstellar Didact was the one that fired the rings (as per the H3 terminals), was somewhat more sympathetic towards humanity and went to his grave (cryptum?) heartbroken over the loss of his wife and civilization, then it also makes little sense that guy was the antagonist of Halo 4. No, I think that 343 simply retconned the whole thing: there was just one Didact and the H4 terminals tell his story and how he ended up in Requiem. If there's one thing the Halo video games will always be famous for is how they regard or outright disregard certain elements of their EU (see Reach).
  7. Zeta1127 Force Ghost

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    Sep 2, 2012
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    I got Halo 4 for my birthday on Tuesday, and I stayed up extremely late and beat the campaign on Normal that night. All I can say is Halo 4 is an excellent continuation of the series. Now I seriously need to get Xbox Live setup.

    I seriously need to read Halo: The Fall of Reach to figure out what got contradicted by Halo: Reach.
  8. Darth_Invidious Chosen One

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    In broad strokes, REACH the game portrays a month long assault on the planet culminating in its eventual conquest/glassing and the Pillar of Autumn's fateful jump towards Installation 04. In the final chapters of the novel (which mostly deals with the Spartans origins and the start of the Human/Coventant War), Reach is assaulted and glassed by the Covenant in just one day, with no prior engagements/skirmishes prior to that date. In fact, many chapters of the novel occur on dates in which nothing worthwhile was going on the planet whereas in the game the whole planet was deep into Winter Contingency. Cortana was not split in half or otherwise held by Halsey deep within some Forerunner facility, rescued by Spartan 3's that shouldn't have been there (let alone known to Dr. Halsey) nor did the Autumn land on a compromised planet to pickup said piece of AI that shouldn't have been there. I understand there was a new reprint of the novel that came out just as the game did, but I believe the many contradictions therein were not retconned or otherwise believably corrected.
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