Padme Amidala Handmaiden Costumes

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  1. Darth_Eagle Fanforce CR Singapore

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    GentleBant, good luck in getting the outfit done. ;)

    Seriously, I had never seen anyone doing it properly so it'll be great to see one finally done. I actually wanted to do it a long, long time ago when it first came out and already got a "pattern" I thot will work for it (it's a Square Collar Dress and is Out-Of-Print. Similar to one of Enya's dress from Day Without Rain Album I think) but guess the project fell through when I went into Cosplaying (which I had retired from now) and other movie Costuming apart from looking myself in the mirror. [face_blush]

    Anyhow, what I thot of doing was get this Polyester Fabric Factory Pleated (which sadly means ordering a 50m roll and have it turned into a 25m one after pleating) but I guess it's the wrong fabric for it now that we know more and had seen the costume closer.
  2. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    Darth_Eagle, I hope you don't give up on it!

    I know this is a gown I'm probably going to have to do over and over, refining and "messing" with it to get it "right." I'm already conceding that the pleating isn't quite right. I know my limitations, and box-pleating the fabric is *not* in my reach.

    I may end up just sketching out what I think the outline of the dress and robe should be and then roughing it in some "practice" fabric. My kids seldom sit still long enough for me to even think about going pattern shopping with them in tow, and honestly, I don't get enough time with them sometimes as it is!

    Anyway, here's the fabrics I decided to go with:
    [image=http://gentlebant.com/images/costumes/throneroomgown_fabric2.jpg]

    I still need to get thread, piping, lining, and whatever I'll do the bottom of the skirt with.

    I'm really a very novice seamstress, so any and all advice is greatly appreciated!
  3. fairyprincess Jedi Knight

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    I had this commissioned in Jan and was supposed to be ready for Supanova's Movie World Night, but the event was cancelled so I decided to put it on hold until I found some ribbon I was happy with. Well, it was supposed to be ready mid-march to be here in time for April's event but it only arrived today! I still want to do Padme's Handmaiden Battle outfit and now need to determine what clour the fabric really is. Different shots and photos hinge on two slightly different colours!

    [image=http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg171/fire-elfweb/IMG_0002.jpg]

    I am really happy with it and it is very close to the original! It is made out of pewter and is quite heavy. I plan on usng this person again but will err on the side of caution before I order it so it will be hear in due time!
  4. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    Jos, it's a good color blend! :D
  5. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    Thanks, Miana! As I sit here, I glance over in the closet and can tell that it's still a bit too bright and a bit too much of the orange-ness, but it'll look pretty close to the FIDM pics (the institutes own online pics, anyway), and at certain angles the pile sort of "whites out" and appears lighter, so that's kinda cool. I ordered 10 yards of it (/bank account = ouch!) to make sure I'd be able to have enough. I was going to do 8 or 9 yards, but there was a discount at 10 yards that made a difference. Plus, they're located in L.A., so it got here in two days!

    And wow....fairyprincess.....ooooooh! Shiney!.......Oooooh..../eyes glaze over

    That is absolutely gorgeous! I tried to make my own out of a buckle blank, but it turned out horribly...and then I lost it. :~( Would you mind PMing me with the info about where you got it, etc.?

    From what I've seen of the battlemaiden costume, it's really a deep reddish-wine-bugundy color. The matte-ness of the velvet is what seems to cause it to appear much duller in different light. I recently fixed mine up again and here's a pic (courtesy of Miana!) I had budget constraints, so the velvet I used is just a strechy panne, and it needs lots of finishing details and adjusting, but it's wearable!
    [image=http://gentlebant.com/images/battle_shoot_lean1_rachel.jpg]
  6. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    My battlemaiden outfit is way too red, but it photographs pretty well. It was the only velvet that I could get my hands on though. I haven't finished all the details to make it RL-worthy, and since I'm not too happy about the colour anymore I will probably never do that.
    [image=http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d103/bandykullan/creations/P1010128.jpg]

    Jos, I was hoping to do the gold outfit this spring, but never had the chance with either money or time. Since I wanted to use the underdress for some other things as well I was thinking about maybe attaching the sleeves for the underdress in the cloak sleeves, so that I could keep the underdress sleeveless. I've also gotten a presserfoot that makes pintucks for my sewing machine, and I'm hoping to make some experiments to see if that could work for the boxpleats as well.
  7. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    I've had some thinking about the skirt and how to do the bottom of it. I was thinking that maybe the best way, that wouldn't destroy the pleats, would be to make an underskirt that you put wires in. I would probably also have some heavy interfacing in it as well. Then you would let the pleated skirt just "rest" on the underskirt, and maybe tack it on at some strategical places. The structure would be provided by the underskirt, that would also be the one on the ground, which could help to keep the main dress clean.
  8. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    Oooh, good idea, Johanna.
  9. Sister_Sola Manager Emeritus

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    10 yards sounds about right, esp. if the bolt is narrower than the standard 45" width. I think I got 10y for my green HM, and didn't have much left over, but that included screwing up one wedge of the short cape, which I cut out the wrong direction so the nap was going the wrong way. Be very careful when laying out your pattern pieces and make sure they're all going the same direction top-to-bottom wise!
  10. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    :) Any suggestions for a pattern?
    (And my battle handmaiden pants actually had the pile issue...I folded the material over and just cut, but didn't pay attention to the fact that one side of one leg has the pile in the opposite direction. AND I didn't have enough material to redo the leg! ARGH!)
  11. Sister_Sola Manager Emeritus

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    I used a poncho/cape pattern for mine, and just made the back longer. For the hood I just winged it and designed from scratch and mocked it up until it looked and draped reasonably similarly. I didn't save the pattern piece as I thought "heck I'm never doing that again!", but I did take a picture of it. For the gold hood, my guess for a first mockup would be to try it without the points, just fill that space in solid with one fabric piece, maybe round it off to more of a semi-circle? Or do I mean quarter-circle.... ETA - yeah maybe just eliminate the front (smaller) point and just angle the edge down from the front/face opening down to the centre back.

    [image=http://sistersola.com/hood-pattern2.jpg]
  12. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    Sister_Sola Would you happen to have pics of yours? I'd love to see it! (I browsed your galleries at your site, but didn't see this one anywhere. BTW, I did a double take when I saw you have a pic of my flame gown v 2.0 from Cel III there...ack! I think I've done that one about 4 times now, and I'm doing it *again*. I just never seem to get it quite "right".)
    I kinda' figured I'd do a basic slightly flared-sleeve robe for the main velvet robe, and do the hood as a separate piece that would hang down my arms to about the elbow if it weren't for the sort of drapey-ness that keeps it up to the shoulders, then trim it back as necessary.

    Also, what did you use for the square-neck pleated dress pattern? And what is the best way to attach the braiding?

    And ObiAnne I like the idea! Any ideas for a way for me to do the seam on the bottom of the pleated dress skirt so that I don't have the same problem? (I really don't know what I'm doing here, do I?)

    Thanks for all the suggestions!
  13. Sister_Sola Manager Emeritus

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    Oops, sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to my green Parade HM. I haven't done the gold one. So that hood pattern was what I used for the green one. :) I was just musing on how you could do a similar shape as that for the gold, but without the points.

    As for re-do's, I think we all succumb to that! :D

    ETA: I've been thinking about how to do that flared bottom on your gold one, and it occurred to me that those HM's are standing still any time we see them, so I don't think they had motion in mind when they designed them. So maybe that would free you to design it to look how you want when standing still and then when you have to walk just hike it up in hand like a train? Then just let it fall and adjust it when posing still for photos? That might eliminate a need for a hoop or wiring at the bottom. Just kind of thinking as I type here.... maybe a stiff facing though, like buckram, in a circle that lays flat to the floor?
  14. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    I would still use some kind of wire for the outer hem of the skirt.
  15. Darth_Eagle Fanforce CR Singapore

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    How does the skirt take to the Runway Walk during the DAG FIDM Exhibition? Maybe those who had seen it during the show can give some comments so we can figure out how to make it more viable for walking.


    This is what Maggie had to say about it from photos of the runway show:

    "The round hems of the dresses are actualy stiffened to keep that shape! At left is a crop of one of Benae Quee's fashion show pics. When the Amidala red invasion gown went by the girl dressed in this costume, the large costume brushed the handmaiden one flipped the skirt up! You can see how it is stiff! The dress is sashed at the waist."

    http://www.padawansguide.com/handmaiden/gold_pleats.jpg


    GentleBant, we'll see how first, if I even return to this project. [face_blush] I still need the guts to start making my own gowns (Am still at the loose-fitting clothing stage like Robes, Tunic, Cloak etc) and loose LOTS of weights to look good in it. Still got that ceiling high cloths pile of mine to turn into costumes first. :p
  16. Obi Anne FF admin Celebrations, Europe

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    The thing with the original is that if it isn't made to be worn while walking, I'm not sure how well just stiffening the fabric would work at conventions and such, where there is a lot of walking. For that reason I would make it sturdier than the original.
  17. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    I agree with those ideas, Darth Eagle and ObiAnne. I think what Sister Sola said about the "hitch and adjust later" technique will also come into play.

    I have been obsessively looking at the pics at Padawan's Guide, FFAQ, and our own screencaps at the RHS site, trying to best see how to put this whole thing together. (And help from some keen observers...thanks to who they are!)

    My main obstacle is going to be my own lack of experience and expertise. Since I don't have a deadline for this gown, taking my time is OK. (Of course, I'll have to not start expecting any more children in the meantime...that tends to really foul up my costuming! :) )

    I think I'll try some sketches and maybe mock up a doll-sized gown with some practice fabric to see what I need to do. I'll also need some practice with attaching trim/piping and zippers (I'm horrid at them!), since I'm planning on doing a sipper down the back of the gown.

    Y'all sure someone doesn't want to move out my way and work on this one with me??? [face_idea]
  18. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    The replicas were straight down, IIRC. Plus those girls were like 6 foot, so they had to stay down just to cover their feet.

    I'm trying to find the video to double check.
  19. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    Haha! With this conversation now taking place in two places, I'm forgetting where I heard what. :~)

    How many pics are out there of the FIDM fashion show for this costume?
  20. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    Not many that I know of. There's the one that I found and posted over on Rebel Legion, but I don't know if anyone else from our group took a lot. Kathy might have.
  21. Falls_the_Shadow Jedi Master

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    GB,
    As I recall, The Art of Manipulating Fabric by Colette Wolff has a good picture of this "sunburst pleating" which like the gold handmaiden gown, suddenly flares out sharply.

    The gold gown done properly would be a beautiful mundane real world evening gown to boot.

  22. Neimhaille Force Ghost

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    I was just wandering through here, found this post, found one of my old posts and realised I have a guide that might help people using Obi Anne's half circle method, at least to really quickly draft the skirt pattern:
    http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/skirttutorial.htm
    I just haven't yet added a section on cutting gores in the same direction, which is what you would need to do for this costume.

    Eeek, big confusing typo in there, I'll correct it today. The first layout diagram is folded end to end so each selvage folds back on itself, not the opposite side. What the heck I'll also do a pattern layout for cutting all pieces in one direction while I'm at it.
  23. GentleBant Force Ghost

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    Thanks, Falls the Shadow and Neimhaille for the extra tips! I just started back to work full-time, so this has slowed down a bit.

    I'm so sorry, and embarrassed to show my ignorance, but I only vaguely understand selvage and gore...could someone explain a bit more to me? (Sorry...[face_blush] )
  24. kay_dee Force Ghost

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    Nope, I was made to feel I couldn't take any photos. I don't know if I was being warned more than other people because I'm known for taking pictures or what. So I didn't get any photos at the FIDM fashion show because I was warned not to approach the models or take photos of them. Sorry :(
  25. Miana Kenobi Admin Emeritus

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    Kathy, do you happen to still have the video?
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