Harry Potter: The Goblet of Fire

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  1. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    [image=http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/rplatan/goblet.jpg]

    Still raking in the money worldwide, where does this one fall on your list of HP movies?

    I actually like it the best so far. I was amazed that the they were able to get all of it in in 2.5 hours and still keep the story in tact.

    My favortite part: The wand duel between Harry and Voldemort
  2. AmberStarbright Jedi Grand Master

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    This was my favourite as well. Although I wasn't my favourite for the book, but was surprised at how much I liked this as I was not expecting to like it that much due to what I heard they cut out.
  3. Everton Chosen One

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    This is an excellent adaptation... excusing Gambon's awful, awful interpretation of Dumbledore. I also think the end needed a little more threat to it. But on the whole, I don't think a film could've done the book much more justice than this film did.
  4. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    [face_talk_hand] Dumbledore. Very out of character.
  5. AmberStarbright Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree. I don't like Gambon's reasons for changing how Dumbledore is either, it is pathetic and takes away from the character that Dumbledore should be.
  6. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

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    When he ran across that room at Harry, after drawing Harry's name, I was like, "Who is this? Because it isn't Albus Dumbledore..."
  7. AmberStarbright Jedi Grand Master

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    LOL I always imagined him being shocked not about to hit the boy.
  8. jedi_john_33 Jedi Grand Master

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    I finished teh book sunday. i want to go see it again this weekend if it's still playing. i wont know till friday though
  9. PadmeLeiaJaina Force Ghost

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    I've now seen the film twice. Let me say first off my first viewing was in a dinky theater w/ crappy sound. The print was bad too because the film was really dark. I also spent the entire film comparing it to the books and waiting for the action sequences - overall I was somewhat blah about the whole experience.

    I then finally got to see it on IMAX.

    HOLY JUMPING HIPPOGRIFFS! I came in slightly late (during the opening sequence at the Riddle mansion - big deal) and felt my jaw drop to the floor w/ the quality of the picture. The screen was so massive it felt like you were walking right alongside the characters as they were treading towards the portkey.

    The sound of course was incredible w/ the floor rumbling and vibrating through the dragons sequences etc. Overall - stellar viewing experience. I turned my brain off and watched the film in complete awe.

    As a result, I highly, HIGHLY enjoyed the movie. Not only was it completely breathtaking to watch, but rather like my first experience seeing TPM, I found that by already knowing how the film plays out, I was able to really concentrate on the stuff between the action sequences, and although they probably could've included a little more character stuff in there, I think that they included just the right amount of stuff. I really paid attention to how the portrayed Ron and Herminone's characters and the script always stayed on course w/ making sure that they were consistant. The supporting cast helped to really glue the story together - perhaps some of them could've had more lines...but I really don't see how it was necessary.

    There was a lot of stuff that went on in the background and subtle stuff going on that helped to further flesh out the story - the twins and Harry teasing Ron about being in love w/ Krum after the World cup, Hermione and Ginny glaring at the French girls, and the very fast revelations of what happened in the Pensive (something I do wish that Harry had address w/ Dumbledore considering they did focus on Neville being tormented by the Crucius (sp?) curse. But I suppose they can address it in OOTP when they all visit Mr. Weasley in the hospital.)

    This time around my heart broke when Harry was pleading and talking to Sirius in the fire, but mostly because my sister, yet again asked, "Sirius will have a bigger part in the next one, right?"

    I also found Rita to be more nutty rather than pervy. Ron and Hermione were both spot on - and the end of the film, was heart-wrenching to watch unfold. I started crying when Harry's parent's ghosts came to his side and didn't stop until Moody/Barty Jr whisked Harry away.

    Can I just say how thankful I am that they highly expanded the Weasley twins parts too? They just get funnier w/ each viewing.

    Rather like the SW films, I don't really like ranking the Harry stories, because to me, they're all one continuation of a larger story-arc. I think I still prefer POA the best, but then again, that was a shorter book w/ less story to have to worry about smashing into a 2 1/2 hour movie. However, second viewing was MUCH, MUCH better.

    Course, again, the giant screen and kick-ass sound system didn't hurt either

    For those who're uncertain about it, try to see it again before it's kicked out of the larger theaters, and try to see it on the biggest screen possible. If you let go of everything that you previously thought about it and everything that you know about the book, the film WORKS. I don't know how to explain it. Course I love the characters and actors who portray them in the films so I think that latching onto that really made the movie succesful, in my eyes.


    Gambon is a tricky subject. First viewing I wasn't very impressed with him, but by the second viewing I could really tell that his character was very worried for Harry and that he truly loved Harry. There was fear in his eyes that I thought was very appropriate for the part. I loved Harris, but I always felt he was somewhat reserved. I like that Gambon brings a fire to Dumbledore that I thought was lacking w/ Harris's aloof and stately
  10. Idrelle_Miocovani Force Ghost

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    As much as I love GOF, I get a little irked with the Hagrid/Madame Maxime stuff and I really didn't like the way they did Moaning Myrtle in the Prefect's bathroom sequence.

    But on the other hand, I ADORED the second task -- it was fabulous! And the Yule Ball was magnificant. I thought the First Task was a little overdone and I missed all the creatures and golden mist enchantments in the Third Task but the way they did the graveyard scene... oh my goodness... it was... amazing. Voldemort was so Voldemort-ish.

    Acting wise -- the trio are really perfecting their acting. They're perfect. And I loved the Weasley twins. For once they seemed like the Weasley twins.
  11. Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus

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    GOF is simply the best movie I've seen in ages. Better than Batman Begins and ROTS and Prisoner of Azkaban and I absolutely loved all three.

    We finally get into the dark stuff and it is delivered quite well. This is the turning point in the films and it only gets better.
  12. Everton Chosen One

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    I don't think Harris or Gambon have been right for Dumbledore. Harris was too fragile, and Gambon is too robust. Dumbledore from the books is a kindly fellow who only exerts his power when he absolutely has to. If the books Dumbledore were to wander into a classroom and encounter a stray Butterfly fluttering about the room, (perhaps the result of a good bit of Transfiguration), he would watch it and delight in it's simplicity. I think Gambon's Dumbledore is more likely to shoo it out of the classroom or squash it so there's no further distraction to the teaching. Strange example perhaps, but I think it's sound.
  13. Moleman1138 Manager Emeritus

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    Personally I like the rougher Dumbledore in Gambon. He succeeds Harris in every way imaginable. Though I do admit that Dumbledore shouldn't be frail and he shouldn't be an angry old man either.

    He is essentially the Obi-Wan or Gandalf or Aslan in this series as a mentor. He relates more to the first two than Aslan, but indeed he is the mentor, who is destined a different path from his protege.
  14. AmberStarbright Jedi Grand Master

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    The part of Dumbledore from what I read was written for Harris, although I think it might have been his illness which may have affected his performance. Still to me he is closer to what Dumbledore should be like.

    As for the trio, well I think Dan and Rupert are getting better I'll leave my comments about Emma out of this because I am sure it won't be appriciated ;)
  15. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    The movie is not bad but it really lacks the details.
  16. PadmeLeiaJaina Force Ghost

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    You have to watch it again, a second viewing shows you a lot of stuff that you easily breezed over/forgot first viewing. Most of the meat of the GOF book exists in the film between the action sequences.
  17. Everton Chosen One

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    Still, there's so much detail in Rowling's words that one has to accept any movie adaptation is not going to satisfy in the same way teh books do.
  18. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    You have to watch it again, a second viewing shows you a lot of stuff that you easily breezed over/forgot first viewing. Most of the meat of the GOF book exists in the film between the action sequences.

    Thanks for the advice. i might go to the cinema tomorrow.

    Still, there's so much detail in Rowling's words that one has to accept any movie adaptation is not going to satisfy in the same way teh books do.

    Yeah. Unfortunately. :(
    Oh well, it is important that the books don't dissapoint the readers. Movies can always be re-filmed.
  19. Everton Chosen One

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    That's an interesting thought actually. Maybe one day, when I'm old and grey, and the Harry Potter books are established classics but essentially done and dusted from a hype and ongoing franchise point of view, a film-maker will return to them and try again. With a good Dumbledore. ;)
  20. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    Yeah, lol. :) I wonder what special effects will then be at a disposal of future filmakers. ;)

    With a good Dumbledore.
    ITA
    The actor from first 2 movies was pretty cool, but this one lack that something Dumbledoreish...
  21. PadmeLeiaJaina Force Ghost

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    I can see them all coming back as mini-series instead so that way fans can get 'pure' versions of the stories.
  22. Idrelle_Miocovani Force Ghost

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    I can see that too... Lol, it would be a little weird at first though.
  23. Amon_Amarth Force Ghost

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    I can see them all coming back as mini-series instead so that way fans can get 'pure' versions of the stories.

    Yeah, that would be great! :)
  24. han_solo_321 Jedi Master

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    Pablo of HarryLatino has heard from someone who worked on the Goblet of Fire that the following deleted scenes are to be featured on the movie's DVD:

    SCENE 1: Dumbledore asks his pupils to welcome Durmstrang and Beauxbatons students. All the Hogwarts students then start to sing the school song.


    SCENE 2: A Durmstrang student asks a girl to go with him to the Yule Ball. She says yes, and two of their friends make gestures in the background.


    SCENE 3: Harry tries to speak with Cho Chang, but as she is constantly surrounded by friends, he doesn't get the opportunity.


    SCENE 4: Flitwick introduces the Weird Sisters at the Yule Ball. The lead singer speaks with the audience and then starts the first song.


    SCENE 5: Karkaroff tells Snape about the mark of his arm. Snape ignores him and removes house points from Fawcet and Stebbins, who briefly appear in the scene. Snape doesn't care about what Karkaroff has to say.


    SCENE 6: Mr. Crouch and Harry are speaking. Mad-Eye appears and Barty quickly leaves.


    SCENE 7: The trio speak about the death of Mr. Crouch. Ron thinks that Fudge will prevent the story from leaking out to the public. Hermione believes his death, Harry's scar burning, and the Dark Mark at the Quidditch World Cup are related. She recommends Harry goes to visit Dumbledore.


    SCENE 8: The trio speak about what Karkaroff was showing Snape on his arm. Hermione asks Harry which potion ingredients Snape accused him of stealing and realizes they are the ingredients needed for the Polyjuice Potion.
    Although all of the following sources had previously reported different release dates, they now all agree that the GOF DVD will be released on March 7th - DVD Town, The Movie Insider, VideoETA and GameShout. So it seems pretty likely that this is indeed the release date, but we'll let you know what WB has to say.
  25. JamesBatista Jedi Knight

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    SCENE 4: Flitwick introduces the Weird Sisters at the Yule Ball. The lead singer speaks with the audience and then starts the first song.

    **Jumps around like Yoda with a lightsaber**

    Call me a supergeek, but I was especially happy to see Radiohead's Phil Selway and Jonny Greenwood in the film, even for a few seconds. Would've been perfect if Thom Yorke was also there, but you can't have everything :p I haven't listened to any Pulp, so this was my introduction to Jarvis Cocker--IMO, he's really good. In fact, I find their contributions to the GoF soundtrack far better than 95% of the current Top 40.

    Back on the film itself... I was very worried when I heard it was going to be the same lenght as all the previous movies--but the finished product impressed me. I'll admit that the beginning was really rushed, and I am still pissed how they cut away from the Quidditch Cup. It flows well when they get to Hogwarts, though.
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