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Has the ability of using the force something to do with genetics?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Community' started by alex_, Feb 3, 2003.

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  1. alex_

    alex_ Jedi Youngling star 1

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    It was strongly implied in ROTJ. But if this is true, then why does the Jedi order insist that the Jedi should not have families? They seek out and take every being with the potential to use the force and then forbid him/her to produce any offspring. It's a negative selection which would lead to the extinction of force-sensitive beings.
     
  2. dArTh_wenley

    dArTh_wenley Jedi Knight star 5

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    I don't think it is JUST to do with genetics, although that pays a part of it.

    I think that people strong with the force reproduce, the offspring get even stronger in the force. For this reason reproducing is forbidden. It wouldn't do for a Jedi to get too powerful.

    Although people strong with the force can be found throughout the galaxy. The ways of the force are mysterious.
     
  3. Jauhzmynn

    Jauhzmynn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    But from the Midi counts, they are already steadly becoming more abundant in some force users. So all this is doing is making Jedi marry in secret, which is a bad idea. Let 'em get married for pete's sake, it'll keep the guys from going crazy.

    Genetics can play a part , but for a super strong baby it's a 1:4 raito. Or one of four chances of BOTH dominant genes showing up. Also how the parents raise him or her plays a part. If they teach the kid to be a humble person, and the abilites are there to help other people out. Corelian Jedi Order CAN marry. Are any of them super strong in the Force? The Halcyon bloodline can't move objects via the Force. Was this from too much gentics? Or merely a mutation. If so, why hadn't it been lesened after X hundreds of years. One would think it'd be diluted by now.
     
  4. CmdrMitthrawnuruodo

    CmdrMitthrawnuruodo Force Ghost star 6

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    Nah they are just super strong in telepathy, illusions, and absorb.
     
  5. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Chosen One star 6

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    Jedi are not allowed to have families for a very simple reason: it would provide a way out of the vigorous training and excercises needed and would also give a chance for a Dark Side path (Anakin being a prime example of what happens if one knows his family).


    The ability of using the Force does as something to do with midichlorians, although it is based more upon concentration that physical being.


    Take a normal Correllian newborn for example. Regular human male- let's say he has a "high" midichlorian count in terms of Jedi standards. The Jedi somehow test this baby and find this out, and so they prepare take him to the Temple to be trained.

    At the same time another Correllian baby, at the same infirmary, is accidentally switched with the baby that has the high midichlorian count. The other baby is taken to the Jedi Temple to be trained.

    Shift forward 12 standard years- the boy has now attained the age of 12 and begun more extensive training in the field of Jedi arts.


    You have to ask yourself- is there a difference? Did this child actually progress as he did through Jedi training WITHOUT a high midichlorian count? Scholars of the Old Republic would say that it is "proposterous", yet those who have witnessed the actual events occurring would beg to differ.

    Midichlorians affect how much of the Force a person listens to initially- NOT the outcome affect through a number of means that can either be inherited or taught.




    That said, genetics has to do with the makeup of an individual- physicaly moreover than intellectually or mentally. So really it was to do with how one percieves the Force.

    It can be interpreted a number of ways, and so if you see the Force in its physically attributed side you would be more likely to say that genetics does affect ones ability to use the Force (in the sense that a one of smaller stature may not be able to move such heavy objects through "telepathy" in the Force).


    Yet this is ultimately wrong. Yoda is an example of this- Size matters not.

    But who is to say that one of Jedi ethnic background is not as good a Jedi candidate as one of regular citizenry background?


    Take it to this extent: Pete Rose, the great baseball player for the Cincinnati Reds, had an illustrious career in baseball (besides personal life- that is another story). He was an outstanding hitter and fielder, as he was immortalized with records as such.

    Compare him with, oh say- Obi-Wan Kenobi.


    Pete Roses's son also dreamed of being a ball player. He had adequate skills thereof, but they were not those of his fathers. One would say he didn't have the "spark" needed to attain such fame.

    Compare with Obi-Wan Kenobi's son (if he would have one).



    You see in that light genetics DON'T affect the ability to use the Force. But then again, you take the situation in which Luke Skywalker, son of Anakin Skywalker, was also an adept of the Force because of his family lineage.




    So the answer to your question is yes....


    ...and no.


    You have to bring individuality into the fold, as well as potential in training and such.




    *wipes his forehead* Whoooo...VERY complicated topic, eh? ;) :p



    Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day ;)
     
  6. odj_310388

    odj_310388 Jedi Knight star 5

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    They seek out and take every being with the potential to use the force and then forbid him/her to produce any offspring.

    They are allowed to produce offspring but they are not allowed to become emotionaly attached to the person they are having the offspring with.
     
  7. KenKenobi

    KenKenobi Chosen One star 6

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    odj: What source did you get that from? ?[face_plain]



    Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day ;)
     
  8. poweranger

    poweranger Jedi Youngling star 2

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    in a word, no; even though there are several out there that seem to think so after watching episode one.

    a person's ability to use the force depends heavily on your knowledge and belief in the force. (i'm only speculating based on what we see in the films) for some odd reason, many seem to believe that TPM changed the nature of the force. all the jedi did was take advantage of the science available to seek out potential jedi. but just because you have the genes, that doesnt make you a shoe in to be a jedi or a sith.

    when we see episode one, all we gain is an expansion on force observation. 1)"midi"
    2)living force 3)unifying force 4)symbiont circle All these factors are different ways to understand the force, but no single factor is the force.

    all the midi do is act as organic communicators between us and the force. the symbiont circle describes the relationship between midi and ALL living things. on a bigger scale, what happens to us affects the force as well(perhaps thats why a dark side exists...). "living force" is being more aware of the present and the "unifying force" is an awareness of "the big picture" long term consequences with respect for whats gone on before. these are four ways you can be aware of the force, but they never reveal all there is to the force.

    keep in mind, that leia didnt use the force even though her genetics had the potential. anakins mom didnt appear to be strong in the force, but still remains to be anakin's biological parent. and luke, despite all he had learned from ben, still failed to lift his x-wing because he simply lacked the belief. vader could have gone good, but lacked the ability until he believed. the force never changed, it was our perspective, post TPM that did.

    knowledge, training, belief - you need all three to use the force. IMO
     
  9. G2Jedi

    G2Jedi Jedi Master star 1

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    GL said that Jedi can have kids, but they can have emotional attachments.
    Actually, to solve this problem, 1 would have to look into the very nature of the force. The force is an energy field connceting us with everything. so it's kinda like a biologival Net, with the electric impulses our brain gives out being the speed of ur connection. If your brain happens to have a stonger current, it gives u a faster connection, and makes u stronger in the force. So the it could be genetics, but u have to train hard to develop ur potential, becuz u can actually increase ur own current with the energy field. that's the difference btwn potential and ability. Potential is the raw pwoer u have, the amount of energy u have in the first place, but ability is the power u hv attained , so abillity can surpass potential.
     
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