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Has the law swung too much in favor of protecting children?

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  1. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    But sex causes far more difficult choices. I know there is a risk to driving, but I consider myself a good driver, and I will do anything I can to prevent getting into an accident.
  2. Maveric Force Ghost

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    You can't kill someone by having sex.

    It really depends on what you are into! [face_mischief]
  3. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    lol @ Maveric

    But just as there are careful drivers, there are those who are careful with sex. If a person is a good driver and they can pass a test saying that they are careful enough to not go out and kill someone, who's to say that that same person won't be just as careful in choosing who to have sex with and taking precautions accordingly?
  4. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Precautions can fail, and what then? I know I'm not ready to be a mother (I doubt most people my age are), but it would be too hard for me to have an abortion or give a child up for adoption. Sometimes those difficult personal choices are the hardest of them all.
  5. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    Precautions can also fail while driving. Even the best drivers in the world get into accidents. Personally, I'd rather find myself responsible for creating a life than destroying one.
  6. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Driving is more neccesary than sex, in any case, so I believe for teenagers, it is more worth the risk. At least where I live, if you can't drive, and your parents aren't home, you're stuck in the house, because there is absolutley no other way to get around.
  7. stevo Jedi Master

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    Necessity has nothing to do with it.
  8. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    I think my comments on this would be better suited to a driving thread, so I'll refrain. But driving is really not necessary. Where is it that you would need to go? Besides, I don't think that something having a lesser degree of necessity warrants it being illegal.
  9. Maveric Force Ghost

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    because there is absolutley no other way to get around.

    Ride a bike.
  10. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Ride a bike? Are you kidding? Not the kind of distance I am talking about, and certainly not in this weather.
  11. KaineDamo Jedi Youngling

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    Get a bus.

    I can't belief you said driving is more necessary than sex. Wow!
  12. TeeBee Jedi Knight

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    Driving is more neccesary than sex

    In one's daily secular life, I would have to concur with this statement, particularly if one lives in a rural area with no bus system. One must get to work somehow, no?

    Obviously in the vast scheme of things, it is not true. We don't propogate the race by driving.

    I'm sure Rebecca meant it in the former example and not the latter.
  13. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, I meant the former. Driving is neccesary in your daily life if you live in an area with very, very limited public transit. Maybe in the city you don't, but in the suburbs you do. And if the only purpose of sex was reproduction, and nothing else, people would only have to have sex a few times in their entire lives, so...
  14. Maveric Force Ghost

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    We don't propogate the race by driving.
    No, we turn off the car and jump in the backseat for that.
  15. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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  17. Maveric Force Ghost

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    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  18. TeeBee Jedi Knight

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    No, we turn off the car and jump in the backseat for that.

    Ummmm... actually I was going to say such a thing and only half in jest. ;) Giving a teen keys to the car is also giving them an opportunity to succumb to temptation, or prove their capability to make informed decisions.

    It is at this point immaturity and normal teenage impulsiveness could override values taught in upbringing, facts taught at school, and simple common sense. It is at this point the teen decides/proves he/she can control themselves, resist the lure of natural curiosity, and even more, sacrifice the immediate gratification of the moment for the higher good of protecting their physical and emotional well being.

    That is a very real test of maturity. And it is commendable when it is passed with flying colors.
  19. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    And again, I must ask, is the fact that sex is less necessary than driving enough reason for it to be illegal? I can think of a lot of things that are very unnecessary that are legal. Look at fast food. Yes, a 16-year-old can be seduced in a way by fast food and can eat way too much and become obese and have health problems. But there's no law against it.

    And TeeBee, you make excellent points. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that it takes a certain level of maturity to drive.
  20. darthmomm Force Ghost

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    ok...my take on these issues. Being a mom of an 11 year old boy, the teen years are coming up. I am a YOUNG mother of an 11 year old. I am 32, had him young. So, I do remember quite well, my teenage years.

    Driving.
    I have no problem allowing a 16 year old to drive. In fact, some families need for thier 16 year olds to drive. BUT....I believe in it being restricted.
    No more than 2 passengers in a car at a time.
    They have to be off the roads by 10:30.
    Extensive driver training.....with a probation period.

    There are states that have those laws. Accident rates go down dramatically.

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    SEX

    I have said this before..if you are 18...and your Partner is 15.....there is an issue. 15 is a child. I know the 15 year olds out there will be mad at me.....but, they are still children. I believe that the age of consent should be 17.
  21. Rebecca191 Jedi Grand Master

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    I think Driver's Ed should be mandatory. The class was really helpful for me, and I learned a lot about how to be a safe driver, and the rules of the road.
  22. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    Sorry, but why does any 16-year-old need to drive? I know several 16-year-olds that don't and survive just fine.
  23. darthmomm Force Ghost

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    There are families that need thier child to have an income. They need to get to work.

    I survived until I was 19 without a license.
  24. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    Yes, but the cases where it's absolutely necessary for a 16-year-old to have an income are rare. But in certain cases, you can get a special restricted license. In my state you can get a farmer's permit or a special medical license at the age of 15.
  25. TeeBee Jedi Knight

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    For the record, I have not even owned a car since 1998 and get around quite well. It really depends upon your individual circumstances. If you live in the boonies, it's gonna be tough. If you live in a city with crappy public transporation, it's gonna be tough.

    I believe that the age of consent should be 17.

    That sounds pretty good to me. I also think the age of consent for sex should match the age one can marry without parental permission. Does it always? It would be senseless not to.
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