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People do know that Tony Foti, who have done some of the art in FFG:s books, have a gallery on deviantArt
http://anthonyfoti.deviantart.com/gallery/35413208

I'm pretty sure that Deadly Stream is where the KOTOR 2 Restoration Mod is hosted. It's pretty *the* essential KOTOR II mod.

Do people know of James Stokoe? He has among other things done Godzilla: The Half-Century War and Orc Stain. He has an organic stile that I like and I do want to see him try his hands on a Yuuzhan Vong war comic, even if I think it is a bit to gritty for a standard SW story
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His style reminds me of Moebius. Though, I could have done without the phallic objects.

To my understanding it is right now Black History Month which give me an excuse to post these Horrible Histories songs

Another Avenger added to the roster, add in an Ant-Man, a Wasp, and a Black Panther then I would say you have yourself a team

Well, Evangeline Lilly was just anounced playing a character in the Ant-Man movie.

I think Black Panther is a bit hard to include without changing to mush of his back-story

Consider it a variation to all the artists that have a fixation on breasts and female curves

Fifth season's the second-best. Get at it.

Henry's interesting, because he has so many unlikeable traits but he's also not all that bad. He doesn't like his wife's ex-husband, which is understandable, and his resentment at living in his house full of his stuff boils over and he bumps the car into it, which is . . . understandable but not condonable. But it's a question of how much of that hostility is born out of carrying water for Betty, who sets the policy on Don in the household.

One of the more interesting scenes is when Don brings the kids home and is waiting up at night for Henry and Betty, and tells them they need to get out like they agreed. Betty goes off on Don and Henry backs up his wife publicly, trying to brush Don off, but then the instant Don leaves, Henry turns on Betty and tells her that Don's right and she needs to grow up about the way she's handling the whole issue. With Betty, Henry is the voice of reason, the mature adult in the relationship. And if he can be kind of a jerk, well, he's now the guy who has to take Betty's **** all day and I suspect that's affecting his stress level.

Henry's interesting because so often, he's right, he's mature, he's the guy who's taking a lot of abuse and remaining reasonably level-headed, he shows a lot of love to Betty, but at the same time, he can be more of a jerk about it than he has to, and he got himself into the whole situation by being a giant creep.

Did you enjoy ze Fuhrer's birthday?

Satisfaction is one of the best moments on the show. It's basically the whole show in miniature. Here's a sorry-looking Don, exhausted, depressed, looking old and ill. Then he walks out of the lockerroom and he's all put-together, calm and cool and collected, the coolest goddamn man in the world. And then Don, the man whose world we know is falling apart, who is struggling with personal demons that are threatening to overtake his life, walks into work like he owns New York City.

Yeah, it takes a long time for changing music, for changing culture in general, to affect Don's world. It's a phenomenon he's aware of, but it's not affecting his life. There's a sort of time delay for it to hit him.

I love that sequence so much. It really captures the sense of bonding on a night out. Plus the cut from drunk Don and Lane discussing the highbrow movies they might see to super-drunk Don and Lane watching a monster movie is just hilarious. Lane is the best. "I've been here ten months, and no one's ever asked me where I went to school." Poor guy just loves America. He takes to it like water. But that doesn't mean the rest of his family does. He's such a wonderfully earnest character, one of the few people on the show who's just nice, but he gets almost nothing for it.

Whenever the show goes to California, it's great, period. I wish we got more of Anna, because she's such an incredible insight into a totally different Don -- an open, peaceful, reconciled Don. She's the one person he doesn't have to lie to, the one person he can be all his conflicting parts with and have them work together.

I think one of Don's recurring issues is that he doesn't fully understand that not everyone is the way he is. He understands it on an academic level, understands that the masses out there don't have his insight and worldview and can understand them and write copy in ways to reach them, but with the people he knows, he tends to assume that they're more on his wavelength, that they can understand how he thinks. Don sleeps with Allison, realizes it was a mistake, and assumes that she, like him, will be a professional who treats it as a mistake in their professional relationship and want to put it behind her, therefore they should both agree to ignore it. He doesn't quite get that seemingly competent, professional people like Allison may not have his capacities for ignoring what they don't want to think about, or that Allison might not think it's a mistake, that she might have feelings for him and want to pursue a relationship or at least not have it ignored and treated coldly. Like most of us, Don just tends to operate on the unconscious assumption that other people think more or less the way we think. You can see it also in his treatment of Adam. His brother comes to him, but Don just doesn't see what's so important about it. They were far apart in age, they weren't that close, they've got different lives, why does Adam need him in his life? What's so important about the past? Adam should just move on. Yet again, Don assumes that ability to move on that he has is universal. If he gives Adam a second chance, a bunch of money, Adam can just move on, go somewhere new and reinvent himself and live a fulfilling life, just like Don did. Moving on, to Don, is a positive -- it's reinvention, it's opportunity, it's freedom. He doesn't feel the cost that other people do, and doesn't understand their grief.

Right on. Don is in many ways an examination of American manhood, of the idea of the self-made man, the American dream, the myth of the self-remaking man -- the idea that American mobility and the frontier allow a man to move and thereby redefine himself, to escape his past, to shake scandal or failure or just grasp a new opportunity -- and part of that is a sort of American optimism. A belief in the ability to remake oneself, to succeed, in the ability of the American dream to bring happiness, in the idea that technology and self-improvement can change our lives for the better, remake our world. A belief in the glorious, sunny promise of "the future." "We're going to pretend we know what 1963 looks like." Optimism, a positive message of reassurance and hope and potential, will always win over negativity and pessimism, and it's what Don's selling, and to a large extent it's what he's buying.

I think it's an understandable anger. It's underplayed today, with all the focus on the Nazis, but the Pacific theater was the site of some pretty horrible stuff, and rather than being hidden in concentration camps, it was what the guy on the front experienced. Roger had his brothers killed, he heard stories about some pretty savage stuff, and then all of a sudden he's supposed to friends with the guys who were trying to kill him twenty years ago? It's not like he's hating their grandchildren for the sins of their people, these are the actual guys who were killing his friends. I think that would take on a special level of repugnance that's hard for us to understand, and I'm not sure we're in a position to condemn it.

Just like Don is falling apart in the wake of the divorce, so is Betty. We see less of her inner life, and she's never been as good at making her sins look glamorous as Don, but we're seeing Betty at her lowest just like we're seeing Don at a low. The question is whether this frustrated, bitter, confused person will pull out of her dive. We've seen Betty, over the course of the seasons, increasingly realizing just how unhappy she is, until finally she blew up her life just to get out of it and try to start over. She's finding out that fixing her problems isn't that easy, and it's making things even worse.

It's not a fascination with the KKK -- it's an ad he made for the Johnson campaign, attempting to tar Goldwater with the brush of the KKK. His fascination is with how daring and edgy it is, so edgy they couldn't even run it! Which means, as Peggy points out, it was a failure as an ad, then. He's just a pretentious, smug a-hole liberal -- he really is the new Kinsey! What's interesting is that he's kind of a jock artist -- he's doing a lot of posing as Mr. Cool. It's when Peggy punctures that bubble of "I'm so edgy, I'm so daring, I'm so much cooler than everybody else" that he starts to come down to earth and act a little more human. He's still kind of a jerk, but he's more the amusing kind of jerk you can hang out with and laugh at his schtick than the kind who's just determined to grate on you all day long.

Danny. I just love how, any time they put him in the same frame as Jon Hamm, it immediately becomes a visual gag without even trying. That's one short guy.

Yeah, it's a top episode. Mad Men has many, many great episodes, but that's one that stands out as great all around.

I do to.

And I want your avatar to be a gelatinous cube photoshoped into a grand admiral uniform.

Sadly, we cannot all have what we want.

Remember to make sure that the avatar isn't blasphemy against the Gelatinous Cube itself.

I have started reading the Crystal Star. No physical reactions yet. The first hundred pages have been a little boring, which feels bad for Leia. So far all the Bantam novels where she has had a larger role have been simply boring. I'm also a little disappointed. Where's the wacky stuff with Waru? He has been mentioned only once.

@AdmiralNick22 - disapprove.

I can understand not adding him soon since they already have so many new characters to introduce. Though it could be interesting if he gets one of the unannounced standalone movies that Marvel has planned.

In the small picture Ackbar looks more angry than in the bigger one. I don't want angry Ackbar, or angry @AdmiralNick22. When we had "Where's my hat" -Ackbar the world was a happier place and the future bright as long as it stayed in the future.

I approve of Nick's new icon. Real Ackbar is much more Nick-appropriate then failed comedy that never actually existed silly Ackbar.

Actually, I'm not wild about your avatar either--I feel like it's judging me.

So you mean it's completely appropriate, then.

Maybe. It looks a little smug to me though, rather than full of rebel justice.

And yes, Jello, we all know you are going to respond to that by saying its the same thing.

On an unrelated note