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Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by SithStarSlayer, Feb 27, 2013.

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  1. Seagoat Force Ghost

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    What's this, someone who dislikes what Lucas has done with the story but accepts it anyway? I already like you
  2. natureboy76 Jedi Grand Master

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    Couldn't agree more;)
  3. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    I accept it as a matter of fact that these are the movies.
  4. Saintheart Chosen One

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    Pity they didn't mirror the way Obi-Wan kept popping back up in a coat of glow paint throughout ESB and ROTJ, though :p
  5. ILNP Jedi Grand Master

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    I think you're forgetting something that renders your inquiry largely moot. Qui Gon had put up the Queen's ship as collateral to cover his bet. Therefore, if Anakin had lost, Qui Gon would have lost his ship. Where's he gonna kidnap him too?

    As to your second point. We sort of see that in the movie with Anakin running back to his mother. She then talks him into going.
  6. Bushy162 Jedi Knight

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    Well here's the thing: I don't think it is because if you look at the lightsabers, they aren't properly rendered/lit up. I've studied these scenes a fair bit and on the DVD/Blu Ray the sabers in this shot are rendered. I think the image is a production photo that never got finished in terms of visual effects, which is a good thing because it perhaps gives us an insight into the layering of the glow.
  7. Seagoat Force Ghost

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    Why didn't Qui-Gon's body disappear if he became a ghost? Or was his mind just sitting there for a dozen years trying to figure out exactly how to become a ghost? If so, did his long dead corpse suddenyl and inexplicably vanish when he became a full fledged ghost?
  8. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I don't think Qui-Gon would have outright kidnapped Anakin. I agree that he probably would have eventually worked out a way to get Anakin to Coruscant, but he would not have just taken him. Qui-Gon may be impulsive as hell but even he knows that's counterproductive.

    Now I'm imagining Qui-Gon doing a "He is the Chosen One, you must see it!" on Watto and Shmi. [face_plain]
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  9. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Well, if we're speculating on an alternate reality where Qui-Gon just takes Anakin, either by force or subterfuge, presumably he could do the same with the ship.

    While we're throwing out alternate solutions, I suppose Qui-Gon could have left Anakin on Tatooine and came back later with the necessary value to trade for Anakin, assuming he got off Tatooine in the first place.

    I agree with Coughlin, apparently Anakin is the Chosen One and what happened to him could not have happened any other way. It was fated, or something like that.
  10. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Anakin was doomed. DOOMED!!!

    [IMG]

    And thanks to Anakin, so was a good bit of the rest of the galaxy.

    Because it was prophecied and he couldn't escape it, because, you know...prophecy and destiny.
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  11. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    Thankfully he was destined to destroy the Sith, incidentally saving his son in the process, that was convenient.
  12. Samnz Force Ghost

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    I disagree.
    A prophecy is a prediction, either written or orally transmitted. Not destiny.

    Whateven Anakin did, it was his choice and I think Shmi's words make that clear:
    "The choice is yours alone."

    If Anakin hadn't won the race, I don't think Qui-Gon would have kidnapped him. As a believer, he would have assumed another "solution will present ifself". We have to consider that without Anakin's victory, Qui-Gon and the Queen wouldn't be able to leave Tatooine.
    It's all speculation.
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  13. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    I agree, but that's not the sense I get from the PT.
  14. The Hellhammer 7SA Forum Interrogator

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    The way I see it, the point was less in the question of could have Qui-Gon taken him by force (or Force) or not.
    The point was to have Anakin to make the choice to go, and not have it imposed on him against his wishes.
  15. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    Yeah, there's quite a bit of idea that Anakin could not escape his "destiny." And from my personal POV, a destiny is something that is going to happen anyway regardless of what the person in question does--which is why I don't believe in destiny. People's choices do affect outcomes, in fact, while people may be put into circumstances beyond their control, the greatest affect on outcome is the choices people make and how they handle their circumstances. Not "prophecy" or "destiny."

    I see a difference between that and a prediction, which is either related to the weather or a guess on the consequences of someone's choice.

    Anakin being prophecied to destroy the Sith, almost destroys his story IMO.
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  16. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    While I'm here, I don't see a problem with Shmi presumably forcing Anakin to go with Qui-Gon.

    Shmi is his mother and mothers make similar decisions for nine year old children all the time.

    Not only do I not see a problem with it, I would see it as a good decision.

    Bold clarification mine.

    This is actually what I think of prophecies in real life, they're just predictions that some people take much more seriously than I do. I consider real life prophecies to be about as noteworthy as an expert Super Bowl prediction.

    Of course, to believe in prophecies one has to believe in prophets, which requires the belief in the divine, which I do not believe, but apparently the divine exists in Star Wars.

    The sense I get from the PT is that Anakin did exactly what he was fated to do, which I don't find particularly compelling, especially since it lacked certain elements that would have made it more tragic.
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  17. The Hellhammer 7SA Forum Interrogator

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    "Run along now, Johnny, go with this bearded, long-haired stranger in tattered robes we just met. He says he'll show you his spaceship!"

    A fairly common motherly decision, indeed! :p
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  18. Seagoat Force Ghost

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    "Misread, the prophecy might have been..."

    Even the Jedi acknowledge that what they believe may not be set in carbonite.
  19. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I agree. The Jedi would have given Anakin a better life than slavery on Tatooine. Shmi knew this much.

    Regardless, there should not have been a prophecy in the first place. Anakin should have just been a gifted Jedi who made bad choices and then rectified them at the end of ROTJ.
  20. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    That does not contradict my opinion.

    I believe the Jedi did misread the prophecy, and everything Anakin did he was fated to do.

    At least, that's the message I think the PT was conveying.
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  21. The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Grand Master

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    Don't think Qui-Gon would have taken Anakin if he didn't win the race. It would have been the will of the Force. The way he saw it, them landing on Tatooine, meeting Anakin, Anakin winning the race were all the will of the Force. If somehow the Force deemed that this boy was destined to live out as something other than a Jedi, I think Qui-Gon would have been happy to leave him in peace. In TPM Qui-Gon commercial he is telling Anakin about how hard the life of a Jedi is. He wants Anakin to make the decision.
  22. ILNP Jedi Grand Master

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    Ahh but the ship needs repaired remember. That's why he's betting the ship. If Anakin wins, he gets the parts they need to fix the ship and fly it.
  23. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    [face_plain]

    Again, if he can take Anakin by force or subterfuge, he can take the parts he needs.
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  24. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    He could have just taken the parts out of Watto's shop from the beginning instead of going through this whole ordeal of the pod race and gambling, if that were an option for him.
  25. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    @anakinfansince1983 I agree.
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