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Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by SithStarSlayer, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. Alienware

    Alienware Jedi Master star 3

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    I think Obi-Wan_Lennon has a good point. But what's interesting for me is that in each of the two scenarios at least one member from each side would have survived. I don't see a scenario where only the sith or only the two Jedi would survive. And what makes these two duels in the movie even more special is the fact that nobody actually dies :)
     
  2. Darth Dominikkus

    Darth Dominikkus Jedi Knight star 3

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    I like your support with your ideas.
     
  3. Skelter

    Skelter Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yoda would have taken out Vader in less than a minute, same goes for Obi-Wan vs Sidious. The duel between Yoda and Sidious proved just how much stronger they where than Anakin and Obi-Wan...No contest.
     
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  4. Darth Dominikkus

    Darth Dominikkus Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think that Vader would have put up a decent fight at least.
     
  5. Skelter

    Skelter Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Perhaps, but not as good as the fight Palpatine gave him.
     
  6. Darth Dominikkus

    Darth Dominikkus Jedi Knight star 3

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    I agree to that.
     
  7. Lee_

    Lee_ Force Ghost star 5

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    They both would have looked something like Luke S. vs Palpatine before Vader stepped in to throw him off the balcony. Utter domination. Wishful thinking to imply otherwise; Obi-Wan and Anakin were not even in second place; they were well below even Mace (who was below Yoda). The lesser guy doesn't defeat the Grand Master. If that was so, Vader would have defeated Palpatine and taken over from the start.

    The Middleweight contender doesn't beat the Heavyweight champ.
     
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  8. Charlie512

    Charlie512 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yeah, definitely Yoda wins. It may be a struggle but given Vader's mental condition Yoda would have exploited this and caused him to make a mistake and thten *slash*

    Just like Vader wasn't going to defeat Palpatine he wasn't going to defeat Yoda either.

    Obi-wan better wait for Yoda to team up against Sidious though.
     
  9. Pensivia

    Pensivia Force Ghost star 5

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    Ok, here's something I've always wondered about...it's probably pretty "basic" so I apologize if it's already been asked and answered before (I tried to search this thread and it didn't seem to come up):

    In the PT, is Anakin the only Jedi to wear black (offhand, I think he is but I'm not sure), and, if so, is there any (non-EU, and PT-specific) explanation for this? I understand it has obvious symbolic importance in foreshadowing his later transformation into Vader (and of course it connects with Luke's black outfits in the OT), but I always wondered how it was supposed to have originated and why the other PT Jedi don't seem to think it's unusual.

    Forgive me if I'm overlooking stuff that seems obvious. It's been a while since I watched all of the PT so I may be forgetting something relevant here...
     
  10. Obi-Wan_Lennon

    Obi-Wan_Lennon Jedi Master

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    I don't think I agree with this. I don't think the force works in terms of first place and second place. I mean some Jedi/Sith are obviously more in tune with the force than others, but I think when you're dealing with force users who have a good amount of experience anything could happen. That is why I think that the council didn't send someone like Mace or Ki-Adi-Mundi to escort Padme back to Naboo in Ep.1. They had no idea how powerful Maul was or wasn't, so why send in Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan? Why not someone "stronger"? Because in the end it is always up to the will of the force.

    Anakin was always meant to destroy the Sith, so I feel that if Yoda were to face him on Mustafar the best the Jedi Master could hope for would be to get out alive. I also feel that Obi-Wan was kind of like The Force's back-up plan. If Anakin were to fall than Obi-Wan was there to train his kids. So I stand by what I said before. Yoda vs. Anakin = bad news for Yoda. Palpatine vs. Obi-Wan = Palpatine wins, but Kenobi might escape.
     
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  11. Lee_

    Lee_ Force Ghost star 5

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    The problem is, you are not doing the math. "Anything could happen" isn't very meaningful; some Jedi are clearly way more powerful, and are in all likelihood going to destroy the less powerful.

    Qui-Gon and Obi Wan were sent in TPM because the most powerful Jedi could not be sent everywhere every time, of course other Jedi could be sent for various tasks.

    Yoda gave a stern warning to Obi-Wan, warning that he was not powerful enough to fight Palpatine, in other words, he would get tooled in a fight with him. Why did he not just make it "the will of the force" as you say? Because that is silly. Anakin is going to match up with Yoda? Come on, that is making a mockery of the whole story. Anakin couldn't even beat Obi-Wan, who wasn't strong enough with the force to fight Palpatine; Yoda WAS strong enough to match up with Palpatine, but Anakin is "bad news" for him? Seriously? No. Yoda was the Grand Master, Anakin wasn't even a master yet.
     
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  12. Ambervikings91

    Ambervikings91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    totally agree
     
  13. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [​IMG]
    IU: Nothing unusual about robe colors, if that mattered, they would all wear white.​
    OOU: Dark robes on our heroes means a choice is coming.​
     
  14. Pensivia

    Pensivia Force Ghost star 5

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    Thanks for the reply, SithStarSlayer...would you mind answering a couple of follow-up questions?[face_thinking] Again, I know this is probably a stupid question [[face_blush]], but I don't recognize the the character in the image you posted above--who is it? Is this character in any of the PT films [if so, which one(s)?]

    Also: I see your point about if the robe color mattered, they would all wear white. But when I think of the Jedi shown in the PT, I only seem to remember variations of Earth-tone colors (from beige to dark browns), as in the image below I(from Wookiepedia), plus if my memory is correct, Mace, Yoda, and Obi-Wan also wear only earth tones, along with the younglings and the padawans. Actually, I looked up some pics of Anakin in AotC and RotS, and it looks like his outer robe was dark brown, but that the difference was that he wore black underneath. I can't seem to think of any other Jedi (or Jedi-in-training) who wears anything black, which is what got me thinking about it...But if the character above is from one of the PT movies, then obviously that answers my question...Thanks!:)

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I would look closely at the Temple shots and Geonosis, perhaps there might more background Jedi wearing darker hues. Maybe even at Padme's burial march, or Qui Gonn's funeral.

    Luminara's (Check out her wookiee page) padawan; Barriss Offee, had cool robes in her promo shots, but TCW made her a dark Jedi so I didn't bother posting the image.
     
  16. Pensivia

    Pensivia Force Ghost star 5

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    Ok, thanks, I'll check that stuff out.
     
  17. Obi-Wan_Lennon

    Obi-Wan_Lennon Jedi Master

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    I just think that if Anakin is MEANT to destroy the Sith than Yoda cannot kill him. And again I don't think it comes down to who is more "powerful." You say that because Anakin couldn't beat Obi-Wan than he'd stand no chance against the more powerful Yoda. But by that logic than Anakin shouldn't have been able to kill Dooku. Seeing as Dooku beat Obi-Wan. I just don't think the force works that way. Obi-Wan has been down and out several times and it always looked like he was about to get killed, yet somehow he always escapes. This often happens when he is against someone who could be judged as more "powerful" than he is. I feel that the force is looking out for him.

    And in regards to TPM, If the council was concerned that the SITH were making a reappearance than I think they would have found time to send the more powerful Jedi - IF that is how dueling actually works.

    I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I guess I just see it different from you.
     
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  18. MRCynical

    MRCynical Jedi Knight star 1

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    Obi-Wan won by means of his very defensive lightsaber style, which seeks to provoke/tire opponents into making a mistake (exactly what Anakin does). Yoda might be the more powerful Jedi, but a duel between him and Anakin would be attack vs attack rather than attack vs defence.
     
  19. Lee_

    Lee_ Force Ghost star 5

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    Correction- strong attack vs ultra-powerful attack

    Anakin is my favorite character, but he would have gotten his ass handed to him by the old master; emotion is not going to beat far superior technique and power. Yoda is also much better with the lightning and throwing objects with the force, he would have zapped and pelted Ani into submission.
     
  20. Chewbacca89

    Chewbacca89 Jedi Master star 5

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    What would the outcome have been if all 4 of them fought each other at the same time? Is the combined power of Obi-Wan and Yoda greater than the combined power of Vader and Palpatine? Who would have won?
     
  21. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    The result would be dead Yoda and dead Obi Wan, imo..
     
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  22. Ulysses_Laertiades

    Ulysses_Laertiades Jedi Padawan

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    Very interesting topic.
    As others already have said, Palpatine vs Kenobi duel would end in nanoseconds.
    On the other hand, Yoda vs Vader is an extremely interesting one. Vader never ever reaches his potential in his lifetime. Only time got close was vs Dooku. MAYBE against Yoda would be his reaching point. Nothing would hold him back.
    Then the two Sith would have survived and after a couple of years Vader would kill Palpatine and create his own dystopic utopia.
     
  23. jnrssa

    jnrssa Jedi Padawan

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    Mr Lucas has confirmed it is indeed the MF, so any thoughts on why the Millennium Falcon was in Coruscant in ROTS? who was piloting it and so forth?
     
  24. Darth Xalfrea

    Darth Xalfrea Jedi Master star 4

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    For those that count the EU.

    It was called the Stellar Envoy, and was being piloted by Tobb Jadak and his co-pilot Reeze for a secret mission given by a covert Republic Restoration group.

    For those that do not count the EU.

    Make whatever theory you want.

    What actually confuses me is that there were people who were actually pissed off that the "Falcon" made an appearance in Episode III.
     
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  25. Jedi General Gelderd

    Jedi General Gelderd Jedi Master star 5

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    Nice EU explanation there Darth Xalfrea.

    I can take that for sure as there's no way to call it being piloted by Lando or Han at this stage.

    Was a great moment to see, and adds even more to the wonderful reach of the EU incorporating an iconic CT ship such as the Falcon.