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  1. The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight

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    Fisto's lightsaber contained two crystals employing a bifurcating cyclical-ignition pulse that allowed the blade to operate underwater.
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  2. SlashMan Jedi Master

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    Thanks guys. I guess it's not a stretch to consider that he had a specialty saber, since his character design alone even suggests he's from an amphibious species.
  3. The Star Wars Archivist Jedi Knight

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  4. Rauno Jedi Padawan

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    Yoda would've been in far more danger than Kenobi imo. Anakin went to Yoda before with his troubles. Anakins last hope of redemption was gone as soon as he saw Kenobi coming out of that ship. He wouldn't have reacted like that if it were Yoda that came out there. Maybe, just maybe he could've talked him out of it. And if not, Anakin still wouldn't have been such an emotional mess and would've made for a dangerous, possibly deadly opponent for the grandmaster.
  5. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    Interestingly, Anakin's lightsaber is used by Luke underwater in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which was originally conceived as a low-budget sequel to the first movie. And I think Ahsoka and Anakin use theirs underwater in the TCW episodes set on Mon Calamari, TCW being written with some Lucas input.

    EDIT: they do- see Wookieepedia pic below:

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    Maybe, after that incident in TPM, Jedi actively went out of their way to waterproof their lightsabers?
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  6. Vialco Jedi Master

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    I know everyone says that Yoda would be able to beat Anakin, and I can see the logic behind that, I even agree with it. But at the same time, I think that the only reason Obi-Wan managed to beat Anakin is because he's the one who taught Anakin everything he knew. Obi-Wan knew every move Anakin would make, which is why he ended up winning their fight.

    I can't help but think that Yoda didn't know Anakin's fighting style all that well. I can see Yoda vs Anakin going the same way as Anakin vs Dooku, on the Invisible Hand. Yoda has a very good chance of winning, I'll agree to that. But the Chosen One, who was able to crush Count Dooku with ease, might be able to hold his own against Yoda, and, maybe even win.

    That's a slim chance, but it's a lot better than Obi-Wan's odds, which are pretty much a million to one. If Master Kenobi couldn't beat Count Dooku, he stands no chance against Darth Sidious. I can see him lasting longer than the Posse, but not nearly as long as Mace Windu.

    If Obi-Wan walks into Palpatine's office, he's not getting out of there alive. Yoda probably knew that, which is why he didn't take Obi-Wan with him. Because, honestly, what would Obi-Wan have been able to do, if he'd gone with Yoda. Having three additional Jedi Masters didn't help Mace Windu one bit.

    Obi-Wan would last longer than the posse, but he would perish before long.
  7. TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master

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    Watched all six films today, and something bothered me about Episode III. When Anakin is choking Padme, the only thing Obi-wan does, essentially, is yell "stop". Why doesn't he force push Anakin or force choke Anakin or at the very least run, not walk, down the platform of the ship and physically push him?
  8. SlashMan Jedi Master

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    Originally, Obi-Wan was still trying to reason with Anakin, and I'd guess that he didn't want to do anything sudden that might immediately start the fight. Though it didn't take long to see that Anakin was beyond reasoning.
    Perhaps with the mission in mind, that modification was deemed necessary. Though it's a funny coincidence that Anakin's lightsaber was used in that fashion many years earlier; the modification idea actually explains the inconsistency. Though on another note, I liked how the Clone Wars micro series showed the lightsaber blades underwater. It's a shame that didn't carry over to The Clone Wars.
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  9. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    While in the grasp of his force choke, where Skywalker goes, so does she. If Kenobi pushed Anakin, Padme and the unborn children could have been killed on the spot, or they would have perished before finding adequate medical attention in the Outer Rim. No way those babies survive being born on Mustafar.
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  10. timmoishere Jedi Grand Master

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    If Obi-Wan had reacted with violence, that could very well have put Padme into even more danger. If someone is holding a knife to someone else's throat, do you attack right away? No, of course not. The victim will get stabbed before you can even get close. The best course of action to spare the victim's life is to try to talk to the one who's threatening the victim.
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  11. TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master

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    Makes sense. I always thought of the Force Choke as using the force to trick the mind of the other person that they can't breathe, which is probably true for Vader in Episode IV and Luke in VI, but it looks like in III that Anakin is physically bending the airways around her neck.
  12. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    In the EU Force Choke is usually depicted as telekinesis rather than a mind trick (with Heir to the Empire's retrospective interpretation of Luke's use of it on the Gamorrean guards in the palace, being the sole exception). Medics have even examined the bodies of Force-choked corpses and found the internal damage- no external bruising though.

    I figure that RoTS's version may be the same as previous versions- just made easier for the viewers to see.
  13. I Are The Internets SFTC Tiemaster (Nov '16)

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    I always assumed it was telekinesis.
  14. mes520 Jedi Master

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    Who are the Council members in ROTS?

    Anakin (sorta), Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace, Mundi, who else?

    Thanks

    Mod Edit:
    Better suited for the Random Question Thread. Merging. ~Sx3
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  15. kubricklynch Jedi Knight

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  16. timmoishere Jedi Grand Master

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    As of TPM:

    Plo Koon, Mace Windu, Yoda, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Oppo Rancisis, Yaddle, Even Piell, Adi Gallia, Yarael Poof, Saesee Tiin, Depa Billaba, Eeth Koth

    In between TPM and AOTC, Yaddle, Adi Gallia and Yarael Poof were killed, and so they were replaced by Stass Allie, Coleman Trebor, and Shaak Ti.

    In between AOTC and ROTS, Depa went insane and was removed from the Council, Trebor was killed at Geonosis, and Even Piell was evidently killed in the TCW series. They were replaced by Anakin, Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto.
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  17. TheWatcher Jedi Youngling

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    Adi Gallia is killed by Grevious in the Clone Wars. She helps escort the Jedi to Geonosis...remember she had game called Jedi Starfighter.
  18. timmoishere Jedi Grand Master

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    My bad. However, Stass Allie was on the Council in AOTC, so Adi must have left the Council for some other reason.
  19. Jedi Conslar 053 Jedi Youngling

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    We do, that would be pretty epic to watch.
  20. Jedi_Jack_17 Jedi Padawan

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    Is george lucas the reason the prequels were "bad" to the majority of star wars fans. So i just wondered personally i think the prequel trilogy is fantastic as i grew up with it but i also love the saga as a whole the original trilogy because every single film is brilliant and well acted. the prequel trilogy because that is what opened my eyes and introduced me to star wars.
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  21. kubricklynch Jedi Knight

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    You can't blame the actors, in my opinion. First of all, many of them are quite good in other films. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, and Samuel L. Jackson have all delivered great performances under great directors. Even Christensen was pretty good in Life as a House if I remember correctly. Lucas is infamous for not being great at working with actors.

    With a few exceptions, the director is more responsible for getting great performances than the actors themselves. Truly great directors get good performances out of all their actors. Even people like Nicolas Cage can do a really good job when working for directors like Spike Jonze or Werner Herzog. And amazing actors can't necessarily do that much if the script is terrible and/or the direction is lacking. George Clooney is a great actor, but he couldn't save a terrible movie like Batman and Robin.

    P.S. I don't mean to imply that Neeson or McGregor were bad. I think they were decent and did the best they could with the material.
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  22. Cryogenic Force Ghost

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    Not sure where this thread is going -- or what the starting intent was or is.

    Lucas or the actors? In what sense? What they subjectively brought to the prequels or their perception by others?

    I do think that some fans became so jaded over the name "George Lucas" that they basically wrote off the prequel films, in the end, just because his name is attached to them. Okay, not just because, but I doubt they'd have been quite so cynical had, say, a different name appeared at the end of TPM, AOTC, and ROTS. Like those little pockets of approval that sprung up, once upon a time, when it was believed that Tom Stoppard had done a scripting polish on ROTS, for example.

    Complaints about the actors' performances normally go straight back to Lucas. Few people complain exclusively about any of the performances. Most of the blame for perceived deficiencies are normally lumped straight on the director: Lucas. In this case, we have a situation that might be unique: a filmmaker getting the brunt of almost every complaint and rumbling hint of discontent fans of Star Wars have ever had, rather than serious bouts of criticism being consistently parcelled off to other areas. But maybe, in some way, that is also a backhanded compliment, since Lucas is very much perceived, by and large, as a maker of films -- a master orchestrator and not just some mover of scenery.

    On the other hand, that last observation must be nuanced by all the cookie-cutter accusations -- quite untrue -- that Lucas is fond of taking credit for the work of others or uses their input to disguise his own deficiencies. But there we definitely have a case, in my opinion, of callow outsiders deriding the man without truly taking the time to consider the symphonic aspect of Star Wars, or how so much of the merchandise alone (all those themed books, for example) give a deeper appreciation of the wide-ranging talents that have gone into shaping the saga, and which Lucas, through his marketing divisions, seems to have been only too happy to pay tribute to and spread some wider awareness of.
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  23. Moviefan2k4 Jedi Knight

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    Lucas admitted he really doesn't like the filming process, and only did it himself to keep others from having any say in the final product. I think that's what lessened the quality of each film to a certain extent.
  24. TheWatcher Jedi Youngling

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    The creator of the unoverse is him, its written by him, financed by him, directed by him and distributed by him.

    Blaming the actors would be unfair, they,give numerous takes on one scene who decides what gets used in the film? Who decides which take to take?

    So it isnt the actor's fault. A man who makes almost all decisions of his movie should be held responsible for its success or failure.


    He had the budget, he had great actors (except Hayden) he had the creative ?

    how cant it be his faut?
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  25. Merkual Jedi Knight

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    2014 seems to be the start of "stirring the pot" threads it seems :p
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