[HCSF] who tells that anakin & padme are married? how do the jedi/obi-wan find out?

Threepio and Artoo don't remember Obi-Wan by the time of ANH. Their memories were probably erased.

that's not true that r2 doesn't remember obi-wan. if he didn't remember him he wouldn't be so determined to find him and give him the message that leia created. r2 had to have known something; his memory couldn't have been erased entirely. threepio, yes, his memory would have to be erased because he talks too much -- or maybe he was traumatized by some event that occured in episode iii.
Anakin loves Padme, and it's quite possible that he's obsessed with her as well.
anakin becoming obsessed with padme? hmmm. this is very possible. we know he lost his mother in aotc, and doesn't have anyone else to be close to. i can see this happening. he may become obsessed with her in terms that he doesn't want her to die (most likely reason) or anyone else to be close to her.
I can't see him, even with the power of the Dark Side, simply forgetting about her.

He MUST think (well, I guess I could be way off here) that Padme dies.
okay, i understand what you mean Garth-Maul. i didn't mean anakin forgetting padme altogether, i meant his remaining family on tatooine (the lars'). like i said above, his mother is dead - who was his last real family tie (by blood).
or maybe he's become too ashamed to return to tatooine either because a) his mother is dead and he couldn't save her time or b) the slaughter of the tuskan raiders - he still feels guilty for killing all of them. or c) both a & b as reasons for not returning.

the idea that padme supposedly 'dies' isn't that far off. i think maybe, the whole decoy/handmaiden ruse might come into play there. one of padme's handmaidens could die in a blast or something, and either obi-wan may believe that it was padme and obi-wan would tell anakin. anakin will believe she was dead, but later the real padme would reappear. anakin would find out about this from another source (palp) and cannot believe obi-wan lied to him.

mind you, i'm thinking in terms that the twins are not born yet, or no one has knowledge of them.

 

Lucas has said the droids will have their memories wiped. Plural.

 

Anakin is not obsessed enough with padme to kill her. he will stop pursuing their relationship after he needs the suit. he will want her to be happy. his hatred will be directed at the jedi, and obi wan. i think it will most likely be because of the war. Naboo and Aldoran are very friendly. with the war their alliance will need to be sealed. a marriage of their respective polital leaders would take care of that nicely. ya think? padme loves anakin but she loves naboo more. if it came down to it, she would marry bail antilles to make her planet a safer place. if the jedi are involved in making this alliance happen? BOOM! anakins loyalty is tested, then when he goes to his mentor and friend obiwan and he sides with the council? again. BOOM! now he hates obiwan, then he makes a last ditch effort to convince padme to rebel against the arrangement and they have a nice little goodbye night. then he goes to the only person he feels he can trust. palpy. by the time palpy is done with him, the seeds of vader are planted.

 

bail antilles

i think you mean bail organa; it's easy to confuse them...anyway, i really don't think r2's memory was swiped; c3p-o yes - it makes sense to swipe his memory but not r2.

maybe half of r2's memory was swiped.

besides, the story of star wars is supposed to be told though the eyes of the droids.

one of them has to at least know some truth about what happened.

 

also, if padme really believes that anakin maybe a threat to her, she may just go straight to obi-wan and tell him everything.

 

that is a good question how do they find out?. But i doubt it jar jar binks he wasn't there. But it might be 3po his attitude and programming isn't same as ep4,5,6 or unless he tell senator palpitine and leaks it secrertly. Cause we all know he want him badly to join the dark side. And maybe at no cost at it.

 

hmmm. meditate on this one, i will.

 

I have been thinkin about this also. I think that part of Anikin's fall to the darkside has to do with cloaking his feelings from his master and the rest of the Jedi. Keeping his marriage a secret destroys him over time because it affects his relationship with Obi-Wan.

 

in ANH r2 says he belongs to Obwan. So his memory wasn't compleatly erased.

 

not to get off supject but in some sw comix jedi have bin married like luke and mara gade (but it was the new order not old

 

I think that part of Anikin's fall to the darkside has to do with cloaking his feelings from his master and the rest of the Jedi. Keeping his marriage a secret destroys him over time because it affects his relationship with Obi-Wan.

i totally agree with this statement. it goes back to what padme sad in aotc. could anakin keep it a secret? to live a lie? i don't think he'd be able to because it would ultimately destroy him.

 

I don't think the droids would reveal the marriage after 3 years of silence.

Maybe Padme finally tells, out of a feeling of guilt or concern for Anakin. After all, she was the first to voice concerns about a clandestine romance with Anakin.
Also, Anakin's continues deception will destroy him. This may just be the tip of the iceberg. Imagine that he's taking secret lessons in the Force from Palpatine, because the Jedi Order have been "holding him back"

THe one trait all Sith seem to have in common is there ability to maintain two identities or faces (ie. Palpatine/Sidious, Dooku/Tyrannus, Skywalker/Vader??)

 

What about Maul?

Darth Maul/Sifo-Dyas???


I don't buy it, but I can't think of anybody else.


-dust

 

what if threepio accidently let it slip in a conversation? it could happen. he does talk a lot, way too much sometimes. or act strangely around others.

 

True enough, Aeryn Sun - but we see a "new" (I guess actually old) C-3P0 in AOTC. One who actually uses TACT.

I'm speaking of the scene when Anakin and Padme arrive at the Lars homestead and 3P0 greets them. When Anakin asks to see his mother, 3P0 says "It would be best if we went inside" or something like that.

So now I'm thinking it won't be the droids.

I wonder if Obi-Wan will know, but won't tell Yoda, and Obi will let Anakin continue to be a Jedi and fight in the Clone Wars. Maybe Obi would think that it wouldn't be TOO bad, that Anakin could handle the strain of being a Jedi and being married.

And maybe Obi was wrong - the secret will destroy them. And maybe if Obi had told Yoda, he'd have told Obi the same thing.

So perhaps this is what Obi meant in ESB when he said "I thought I could train him as well as Yoda...I was wrong."


-dust

 

obi-wan would not know about the marriage unless (excluding the droids) either anakin or padme told him about it. although, i don't think anakin would admit it. but padme would if she fears for her life and her children's.

 

I would say Bail Organa will find out during Ep III

 

maybe it'll be like a chain-reacton. one person finds out and then it slips to someone else and so on...

it'll start ith obi-wan, maybe pass onto to either yoda or mace, and then to bail, the lars' - something like that. (excluding the droids 'cuz they already know)

 

Because Yoda sences it DUHHHHHHHH or ?

 

it's definite someone will find out in episode iii; it's a just a matter of who finds out, when and what is done to anakin/padme.

 

something just occured to me. we know r2 & c3p-o were witnsesses at anakin & padme's wedding, and that episode iii takes place three years later but what i'm wandering is is it possible c3p-0 or r2-d2 accidently let it slip the two were married?

interesting.

Jar Jar could also blabber about it too. I can just see it:

"cedi Jouncil, missa have to report to youa, that Ani and Missa Padme gotta hitched behind youza back."

Actually, I could see this being discovered by Obi-Wan and this being part of the rift that forces them apart.

interesing as well

 

somehow i don't think the jedi will know for sure that anakin and padme are married.

i have to disagree b/c by the end of aotc, when mace told obi-wan, anakin was escorting padme back to naboo, it seemed like it wasn't a big deal. the jedi council had to have known anakin had strong feelings for her, otherwise they wouldn't have ordered anakin to act as her bodyguard. it was a test, i think.

i think padme being pregnant will be enough, you can't really hide that.

if padme becomes pregnant before episode iii, this will be pretty hard to hide. but she could also become pregnant or realize she is with child by the end of the movie.

 

I think the news of Anakins wedding will be the last step for him toward the darkside.

Obi: You did WHAT !!!
Anakin: Master, I got hitched to Padme.
Obi: what the hell are you playing at ? You're in deep **** now my young aprentice.
Anakin: I had no choice, she woud'nt put out otherwise.
Obi: I'm telling master Windu of this... your'll be expelled from the order...
Anakin: Aw **** him, and **** you too...
Obi: I beg your pardon !!!
Anakin: You heard me.
Obi: You wait til Yoda hears of this.
Anakin: And you can CG **** him as well.
Obi: Thats it.. your outta hear.... Yoda will kick your a**
Anakin: (extending lightsabre) RIGHT, outside... NOW !!!

I'm pretty confident that will be the exchange.......

 

oh, that was funny vega

 

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