JCC [Hippies] Anti-death penalty thread

Well Oregon can do what Oregon wants to do. I don't agree with it, but I'm not the Oregon governor.

A bigger-budget Western porno?

 

Are we forgetting the fact that this guy wanted to be executed? That he had waived all his rights to appeal?

I say if the sentence is death and all appeals have gone through and there is no more evidence for the case, get on with it. There's no point in having someone sit on death row for years or even decades.

 

Guys, I just noticed that Jello used the term soi-disant earlier.

I think this is grounds for his execution?

 

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Crucify him!

 

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remember Caesar
you have a duty
to keep the peace
so crucify him.

 

1. The death penalty could only ever be useable if the courts had a 100% correct conviction rate, ie. no ways there could be a possible wrongful conviction. As this is impossible, and always will be impossible, the risk of taking an innocent person's life is too high. Prisoners can be granted freedom and pardoned. Dead people cannot be brought back to life. There is ALWAYS the risk of killing someone accidentally, and always will be. No matter how small, it is too great.

2. My personal faith teaches me that all human life is sacred, no matter the deeds they have done in their life. There is never any justifyable reason to kill a person. People who have taken lives should have their freedom taken from them, not their own life in return, or it becomes revenge.

3. And it is essentially revenge, no matter how it is packaged, or who it is administered by. Maybe this is my own opinion, but I just can't see how it cannot be revenge.



Ammesty International can give you 14 pages more of reasons and statistics if you need them. Darth_Guy posted a link to them.

 

KITZ.

My elected officials are cooler than yours.

 

lexu lives! yay

 

Executions are expensive.
More so than imprisonment for life.
Let him sit and rot, especially if he wants to die.

Normally, I'm more on the "In favor of" side, but sadly, between economics and the way several states handle/mishandle capital punishment, I'd rather have life-imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
Basically, the number of cases where the authorities have rammed through trials with shoddy evidence is alarming and disgusting. I quickly came to two quick ways to avoid being sentenced to death: Don't be Black/African American/whatever, and stay the hell out of the South (especially Texas).
If there was to be true justice, those who abused their authority would finish out the sentences of those they falsely prosecuted and imprisoned.

Worse, this phenomenon is not restricted to the USA. Britain's abuses are just as appalling, and the Catholic church... Well...

I would say one way to drastically cut down on false conviction is if the mandatory first appeal is held in a completely different region of the country, with that state's laws in effect. I imagine Texas' execution rate would drop considerably.
(I like the Boston Legal season 1 finale.)

 

Executions don't have to be so expensive. Buying rope for a hanging is a one-time cost, and you can re-use it for each offender!

 

Are you going to volunteer to make sure the noose is tied properly?
Tell you what, go buy a rope, tie the noose, I'll attach it to the tree, and you put your head in it and jump. If we both did our jobs properly, we can be praised. If not, we will both live to tell about it. What could be more fair?

In case you missed it the first dozen times it was said, the additional costs of executions are in the form of PRE-TRIAL costs. yes, before the trial even begins, putting someone in the frame-up for execution is more expensive than the actual act of incarcerating for life.

I used to believe in the death penalty.
I used to be against abortion. (not on any bizarre religious or moral grounds, just on a basic "why is this even necessary" ground--what can I say? I didn't realize how stupid people can be.)
I grew up.

Try it. You might like it.

 

Is the drug they use to kill people cheap? I assume it's not as drugs tend not to be. It might be cheaper than the bill they used to get from the electric chair, but cost is cost.

As much as I am in favour of population reductions around the world, the death penalty is dumb. The eye for an eye mentality is a schoolyard code, people can and should grow out of it.
Doing to someone what they did to someone else makes you like them, whatever reason you do it for. Don't sink to their level, show you are morally superior

 

I believe the cost comes from the appeals system, not the cost of actually performing the execution. Not to mention the person usually still sits in prison for decades before execution.

I feel like in some cases, a life sentence is more a punishment than death. The person must sit in prison the rest of their life having to constantly think about why they are there.

 

Unfortunately prison isn't enough of a punishment anymore, there are those who are released that re-offend just to go back as they have better quality of life in prison than outside.

 

That's far from the primary reason for the recidivism rates in the United States, and I doubt it is in the UK either.

 

THE HIGHER COST OF EXECUTION VS LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN TRYING A CAPITAL CASE IS FROM PRE-TRIAL COSTS.

Wow, people, the link has been provided at least twice, and people have repeated the information in posts within this thread.

So, in case you somehow missed it:

THE HIGHER COST OF EXECUTION VS LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN TRYING A CAPITAL CASE IS FROM PRE-TRIAL COSTS. All the extra paperwork, the special jury selection and additional scrutiny, etc. And all of that is BEFORE the trial begins, whether they convict or not.

THE HIGHER COST OF EXECUTION VS LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN TRYING A CAPITAL CASE IS FROM PRE-TRIAL COSTS.

So it is possible to run up the majority of the expenses of killing someone through the courts and not get the conviction to execute them.

THE HIGHER COST OF EXECUTION VS LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN TRYING A CAPITAL CASE IS FROM PRE-TRIAL COSTS.

Do you need to be hit in the head with the clue bat again?

THE HIGHER COST OF EXECUTION VS LIFE IMPRISONMENT IN TRYING A CAPITAL CASE IS FROM PRE-TRIAL COSTS.

 

Blah blah blah. Hardly anyone reads the threads before posting in them. I for sure don't.

 

Neither do I. Everybody knows that the extreme expense of execution is a by-product of the appeals process.

The only problem with capital punishment is that it isn't used often enough. Let's dumb it down for a moment...there are too many people on the planet. There are too many people in prison. We need a good plague.

Okay, maybe that was a little harsh, but are we (the human race) really doing ourselves a favor by wasting time and energy into protecting and preserving those of us who should really be removed from the gene pool? I'm all for the innocence project, and verifiable proof etc., but c'mon...I'd be happy to have the full-time job of deciding who gets to live and who gets to die. I'd be good at it.

 

That's what I'm talkin' about.

 

Fine.
Here.
DEATH PENALTY FACTS

Educate yourselves.

The idea that "Everyone knows that the high costs are from appeals" is based on ignorance and lack of information (ok, that is a little redundant). At best, that notion is an urban myth.


I wish the death penalty did function as a deterrent.
It doesn't

I wish the death penalty never killed innocent people.
It has.

I wish the justice system functioned flawlessly.
It is not even close.

I wish prison/incarceration was a enough of a deterrent and acted as a correctional facility.
Sometimes it does, but sadly it often ends up as a way to teach criminals to be better criminals and little else.

 

Maybe, but the prisoners would bang on about how their rights are being violated, just as they do when they don't get free cable TV or are forbidden from using the internet.

 

Fair enough, but I'm still totally pro-death.