Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jedi Gunny, May 22, 2008.
Of course, but we're looking for in-universe.
I gave one above that. Jedi use the force to pilot as is, to use the force to just simply push the buzz droids off could distract them while trying to fly.
My main question is why didn't the Chosen One just use the FORCE to knock the buzz droids off the ship? The boy is gifted but not the brightest. He sure likes doing stuff the hard way. (Luke inherited this flaw since he didn't float Vader down the hall in Jedi.)
How is being attacked not involved in piloting the ship. The thing is right there in front of them. Get real. Obi-wan was even worse since he had to be rescued. It's like being rescued from bugs and you're the Orkin guy.
Maybe Anakin could've just pushed them off, but he's reckless and looks showing off his skills. Jedi's are taught to listen to impulse and thought, if you were Anakin would you first think to push them off or would impulse tell you to shoot at them with your starfighter ion cannons?
If Anakin could've pushed them off, Obi Wan could've too. It takes concentration to pilot a starfighter- especially in a battle the scale of the one they were in. You got to have all senses alert in that case, especially cause their escort squadron was taken out.
To use the force requires a bit of concentration and exertion. Staying focused on keeping the ship together probably would have made it hard to reach out with the force and push the droids off the ship at the same time. Look at Yoda when he lifts Luke's ship out of the swamp or keeps the crane from falling on Anakin and Obi-Wan in AOTC, he closes his eyes an concentrates.
I don't think you'll find a definitive in-universe answer, just speculation. I would imagine that to force push the droids off the ship would require greater concentration than simply force pushing a droid otherwise would be, since the force is not being used as an extension of the arm (because the cockpit window is in the way). It's been said in supplementary material that gesturing with a hand during a force push is not 100% necessary but, assists in helping the Jedi focus. Anakin wouldn't have been able to easily manipulate the force between his arm and the droid without damaging the cockpit, instead he'd have to focus on manipulating the force between the outside of the cockpit and the droid; I would imagine such a feat would require greater concentration than could easily be used during a space battle.
It's possible Force pushing requires some kind of grounding ( for lack of a better term ) and thus would be more or less ineffective in the given context.
Using the Force while flying is like talking on a cell phone or looking at a map while driving; you don't watch where you're driving, and then you're more likely to lose control and crash. In the movie, that means crash/shot up.
Exactly. The Jedi are already using the force to fly their ships through impossible and extremely dangerous zones. To use the force to push a droid off could cause them to fly into some type of debris or put them out in the open to missle attacks.
It seems that Jedi starfighters don't have the best shielding either, as we see in ROTS when Plo Koon gets merked.
Edit: I think you meant "through" rather than "threw."
I like this idea. I think that's true.
However, they might not be using the Force to pilot completely. The clone pilots can't use the Force, and yet they can still fly through the area and not get killed. What I'm saying is that Obi-Wan and Anakin might have been using the Force somewhat, but not 100%.
The Clones are also being blown up effortlessly, and when they do avoid death it's because they're trained soldiers and pilots. Jango is a great pilot to begin with, it would only make sense that Jango's clones were too and especially if they were to pilot clones specifically trained for it.
The Jedi use the force when piloting because they're in smaller and less equipt ships. It's not so much as using the force "100%" but they aren't at the battle to dog fight or stall taking care of the little problems. Obi Wan says it himself,they have a mission to complete. Obi Wan might have been able to stop a few seconds, concentrate on the droids ripping apart his ship and R4 but a few seconds could cost him his life, and he really just needed to get to the Invisible Hand.
I agree with what has been posted above. The Jedi make better pilots than ordinary sentients due to their force-enhanced reflexes. While they are not using the force to deflect incoming enemy fire, they are utilizing it to keep them alive.
Good point... good point. Didn't thik of it that way.
I think I got the idea from a passage in Shatterpoint.
Maybe the Jedi couldn't use the force to push the buzz droids off because there are no midichlorians in the vacuum of space.
I always thought that if Anakin tried to force push the buzz droids he'd damage the window of his ship.
Well, it would be an obstacle. However, the Force is still such a great power that such a trivial thing as a window couldn't stop it from working in space.
No, the force can be used from lengths and things blocking it. Remember Darth Vader choked an Commanding officer [I know it's not Needa or Piett, I can't remember the name] from lightyears away.
It was Ozzel, actually. What I said in my last post was that the Force can be used through obstacles, because it has many properties that allow it to do such things.
He could have lifted them like Yoda with Luke's X-Wing in ESB and then just dropped them.... maybe?
Yoda didn't have laser blasts trying to kill him at that time, either. It was easy for him to do it because there wasn't a real distraction preventing him from lifting the X-Wing.
Also he was on Dagobah which is a very remote and force filled planet. Anakin and Obi Wan are out in space, people dying with every minute. Deaths cloud the force. Yoda was in a safe enviroment, and Yoda was a great Jedi Master who was so fluent with the force he could use it like snapping his little claw fingers.
Actually they were on the same ship.
Oh, my bad then. I always interpreted that Darth Vader was on his ship and Ozzel on another. Learn something new everyday, even when it's stuff like that that I should've just guessed considering they were after the MF.