http://www.npr.org/2013/03/26/175351429/audio-supreme-court-arguments-on-california-gay-marriage-ban gays lost today IMO. Here are the main points (paraphrased) that I felt the Supreme Court made: 1) We must be cautious in throwing out traditions. There could be unforeseen consequences. 2) If we can't deny marriage to gays, who can we deny marriage to? (sotomayor actually brought that up. she mentioned incest lol) 3) why now? we allowed segregation for 50 years. Why should we go from civil unions to marriages in only 4? We need more data. 4) How are the children of gays harmed by having parents in a civil union and not in a marriage? The answer was not at all. 5) And then there was a legal point. Something about this decision would require states that grant civil unions to also grant same-sex marriage. Then it was argued that that would discourage other states from adopting civil unions, and would actually hurt gays and their children.... 6) there was also something about "when did it become unconstitutional to deny homosexuals the right to marry?" to which no good reply was made. One thing in favor of the gays was that the ability-to-reproduce argument was made... smh I just scribbled this out, so if it doesn't make sense, just ask and I'll elaborate.