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Senate Homosexuality: the Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by zombie, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I was really amused that the media was trumpeting about how he said that gays should be integrated into society and not discriminated against. I was like, "It's 2013. How is it remarkable or newsworthy that someone said that? It would be remarkable and newsworthy if someone said the opposite, maybe."
     
  2. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

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  3. Jabba-wocky

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    Well, I think it's more the typically awful coverage of theological arguments by the media. They quoted the least informative parts. Based on broader coverage from the Washington Post, it seems that he also made some commentary about the "gay lobby" in the Curia and about gay priests more generally. The reported comments were admittedly sort of weird, and I don't understand what exactly his position is supposed to be anymore.
     
  4. Ghost

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    This has been the position of the Catholic Church for at least a decade.

    Something they could have beared repeating and publicizing a little more, given how many think this is news... but it's nothing new.



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    In other news, Louisiana police are arresting people for being gay:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-sting-gay-men-anti-sodomy-law_n_3668116.html
     
  5. Rogue1-and-a-half

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  6. Darth Guy

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  7. Juliet316

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    This kind of nonsense is why I'm actively considering volunteering for a political campaign for the first time. I shudder to think what Virginia will be like if Cuccinelli wins.
     
  8. SoloKnight

    SoloKnight Jedi Master star 4

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    Yet the previous Pope stated that men with homosexual tendencies were banned from the priesthood. I dunno, this guy just seems more accepting of celibate gays.
     
  9. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    "Deep-seated homosexual tendencies."

    To my understanding, that meant people who did not have a consistent behavior of chastity despite homosexual tendencies.
     
  10. Lord Vivec

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    I don't see how that means what you are saying it means
     
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  11. Jabba-wocky

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    That's what I understood, too. Which is why I called Francis's comments weird. What does he mean "who is he to judge" gay priests? Not people, mind you, but gay priests specifically. Isn't ensuring the integrity of the rest of his church hierarchy one of the basic parts of his job description?
     
  12. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    A tendency so deeply seated that you cannot help but act on it.

    My girlfriend's mother used to work in a local Catholic school. When a janitor was cleaning a storage area for the rectory where the priests lived (I believe it was a house of Dominicans), he was traumatized when he found a large collection of gay porn and sex toys.

    That is the sort of thing that Pope Benedict meant to avoid.
     
  13. Ghost

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    Well, that should be for all sexual tendencies then, since all priests are supposed to be celibate. Not just gay priests.
     
  14. Jabba-wocky

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    They already do.

    But the Catholic Church does in fact believe homosexual activity to be sinful in its own right, separate from any other questions (eg marital status). Treating something as distinct when it is actually that way is appropriate. On what basis should one act otherwise?
     
  15. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Force Ghost star 7

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    My priest is married. By definition, he is not celibate.

    Also, the last Archbishop of Santa Fe (Roman Archdiocese where I live) had to resign because it came out that he had had over ten affairs during his career. So . . . yeah. Those with "deep-seated heterosexual tendencies" shouldn't be celibate clerics either.
     
  16. Lord Vivec

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    I don't think deep seated means what you think it means

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deep-seated

    1. Being so far below the surface as to be unsusceptible to superficial examination, study, or treatment

    This means unseen or below the surface

    2. Deeply rooted; ingrained:

    This means unable to be changed

    Neither of these definitions mean you cannot help but act on it.
     
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  17. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If the pope is willing to concede the presence and existence of deep-seated homosexual tendencies (as defined by Lord Vivec) then it must, be extension acknowledge the lack of a heterosexual tendency in those same people. That puts him miles ahead of those who propose that therapy and prayer will both remove the homosexual tendency and, more ludicrously, either replace it with a heterosexual tendency which had been missing, or "restore" the "heterosexual potential" that they believe was already there.
     
  18. Jabba-wocky

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    To elaborate a bit more, as you well know, the Catholic religious orders feature single sex communal living. Among the many rationales for this set-up is avoiding the temptation that might present itself if people lived with those to whom they might become attracted. For a homosexual priest, however, the effect would be precisely the opposite. They'd be living among those that they could develop romantic feelings for. One situation is problematic in the way the other isn't.
     
  19. Juliet316

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  20. DarthBoba

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    Excellent news.
     
  21. Ghost

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  22. DarthBoba

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    Not a surprise...I visit NM fairly frequently (mom lives there) and it possesses two main cultural keypoints:

    1. Everything moves at -5mph. Seriously, you can stand around and chat with store cashiers. Nobody cares.

    2. They're extremely laissez-faire about everything socially...this has its good features (this) and its bad (a really high domestic-abuse crime rate)
     
  23. Juliet316

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  24. anakinfansince1983

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    My friends who just got married in Maryland are going to benefit from that SCOTUS ruling. One of them had been taxed heavily for covering her wife and her wife's son on her health insurance. That taxation will no longer be allowed.
     
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  25. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

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    We call it "carpe maƱana". It has its upsides and its downsides. We're pretty relaxed about almost everything.

    The domestic abuse rate is well, very true. People don't think of things like that as too huge a deal - nothing is a big deal, usually.
     
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