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Senate Homosexuality: the Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by zombie, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    That is right. In Australia (well NSW specifically) any "dependent" can contest a will and seek orders from the court that proceeds from the estate be provided for the benefit of the successful claimant. In less enlightened countries it may be different.
     
  2. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Jedi Master star 6

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    I should clarify that point of mine, I mean I don't see any confusion added to it that we're not already dealing with. These matters have all sorts of extra complexities I don't want to trivialize, but it's already something the system deals with.
     
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  3. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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  4. Kimball_Kinnison

    Kimball_Kinnison Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    If you note, I actually covered that scenario as well, to a certain extent. I only made the stated assumption because you said nothing about any relationship (marital or otherwise) between John and Judy, but then mentioned them having kids. Within that context, it was a reasonable assumption.

    However, even in that case, I don't see how it necessarily complicates matters from a legal perspective. Usually the parents maintain direct responsibility for providing for their children, and in your example, while both John and Judy would have claim to Jane's estate, that doesn't necessarily translate to John and Judy's kids having any extra claim to Jane's estate. Stepchildren are not necessarily dependents, after all*. (Think of current situations where a noncustodial parent remarries. The existing children would become stepchildren for the new spouse, but would not necessarily become dependents, and the spouse would not normally be liable for child support.) For example, does Jane have any custodial interest in the children, or guardianship over them?

    But none of these are exactly new situations created by legalized polygamy. You can find similar issues today through a variety of situations, and none of them are really insurmountable.

    * Local laws will vary. This post is not legal advice. I am not a lawyer, nor am I a doctor, a naval captain, or a member of uncountable other professions. For questions on your own circumstances, consult with a local attorney, or just look for random advice on the Internet. It's up to you, just don't blame me if it isn't right.
     
  5. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    The arguments for and against Virginia's Evilmendment were heard in Norfolk yesterday. The news showed protesters on both sides of the issue outside the courthouse. Some are wanting Va's new AG impeached for refusing to defend the Amendment. We'll see what the judge decides soon. Eventually it'll likely end up in front of the Supreme Court either way.

    Oh and Scotland has legalized Same Sex Marriage. Good for them.
     
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  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    The wife of the legislator who sponsored North Carolina's Evilmendment actually used reproduction as a defense and said that white people weren't reproducing enough.

    I hope the Virginia defendants at least have a better argument.
     
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  7. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    och, buncha wee poofs gettin hitched n raisin wee bairns wi oot a hen

    im interested to see how close the scottish independence vote comes
     
  8. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    I think from what I heard on the news yesterday, the reproduction argument might have come up, however I don't think they were stupid enough to pull the race card.
     
  9. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    They'll almost certainly make the worst decision and then expect to keep the Pound over the Euro.
     
  10. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    really? every poll ive seen has been only like a third of voters supporting independence
     
  11. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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    Well Ender didn't quite say what the worst decision might be...;)

    But I doubt they'll get the turnout or majority they need. Salmond has said it should be a once-per generation referendum, so maybe next time. It should hopefully go some way to decentralising power from London either way.
     
  12. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 5

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  13. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    considering his weird ****-riding on the queen id assume he wants what the UK wants, which officially seems to be the scots remaining a province
     
  14. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Soooo...about that NFL prospect from Mizzou....

    Being a Tigertown resident, it's all over the news. I must say, I think it was brave of him to "come out" prior to going pro. It'll be interesting to see what effect -if any- this has on his professional prospects.
     
  15. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  16. Heavy Isotope

    Heavy Isotope Jedi Knight star 4

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    So Ellen Page came out, I thought she already had come out, I recall an article I read about someone outing her as bisexual in 2012 I think. I think it's great, when media reports on it though: not so great.

    Does anyone here think that reporting on things like a celebrity coming out helps or hinders equality? A friend of mine told me that he thinks it damages equality to treat it as a big deal. I could see how that'd be correct and the standpoint takes into account that homosexuality is still widely regarded as abnormal. Does celebration of or sensationalizing homosexuality (in a positive or negative light) really do much? Why not celebrate all sexuality?
     
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  17. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    As I mentioned in the thread about the football player...

    I'll be happy when the response to "I'm gay" is "Cool. Hey, did you see that this movie that recently came out?"
     
  18. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    True, but I don't think that's going to happen for a while, nor should we be in too much of a rush to get there just yet. First ensure equal treatment, "normalization" will come later.
     
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  19. Heavy Isotope

    Heavy Isotope Jedi Knight star 4

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    I think normalization would speed up equal treatment, if people realize there's no actual threat from homosexuality then the government can give it's consent, because we need their consent on this for some reason.

    I can see why you'd think equal treatment would come first, though. Normalization coming quickly, before equal treatment, could make it so that people become lethargic in their demands for gay rights. Maybe?
     
  20. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Mmm yeah, pretty much. When there's discrimination against a particular group, that discrimination has to be acknowledged and corrected...it shouldn't be brushed off as though it never happened. Discrimination against gays probably hasn't been as bad as it was against blacks under segregation, but it's still something that has to be corrected.
     
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  21. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    We should discriminate against the discriminators then.
     
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  22. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Guardian "outed" Patrick Stewart as gay (he's not) in an article about Ellen Page coming out.

    [face_laugh] So great! Because the only reason anyone would support someone else's decision to come out is if they were gay themselves.

    It's such a wonderful example of how even pro-LGBT people (as I'm sure the writer of the article was) stereotype gays. Stewart is British, hangs out with Ian McKellen and loves the theater! Clearly gay.
     
  23. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  24. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    I'm in complete support of Ellen Page coming out, but I feel strange since she was one of my celebrity crushes for a while. Probably because of Beyond: Two Souls. No big deal though.
     
  25. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    Honestly? I thought much like Brian Boitano a month ago, I thought Page was out already. Maybe I just confused her with her X-Men co - star Anna Paquin?