Hope dwidleing....

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by padawanskywalker, Apr 30, 2003.

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  1. padawanskywalker Jedi Master

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    During the entire saga,just a bit of ROTJ.Hope slowly dwindles away...
  2. AdamBertocci Manager

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    Um... could you explain this a bit further so we can discuss the point?


    EDIT: On an unrelated note... this is my 6969th post. [face_love] [face_mischief]



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  3. padawanskywalker Jedi Master

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    I mean,the hope is dwidleing away for the Jedi
  4. AdamBertocci Manager

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    Not neccesarily.
    ANH (A New HOPE, natch) finds Luke, and in ESB, Luke trains.

    The PT is about hope failing for the Jedi. The OT is about their hope rising.



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  5. DarthAttorney Manager Emeritus

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    With the completion of the Saga in Ep3, we'll see that the three act structure so well defined in the OT will double it's size to take in 2 films to each act.

    For example, TPM and AotC will see us get our characters established and come to grips with what's happening. Ep3 and ANH will see those characters put in a a terrible position that they have to rise above. ESB and RotJ is that transcendece, the correction and resolution to the story.

    Act 1: TPM and AotC
    Act 2: Ep3 and ANH
    Act 3: ESB and RotJ

    Given that Jedi are symbolic of the state of the Galaxy throughout the Saga, in Act 1 we see them at their peak and in a slight decline. Act 2 see's them hit bottom and verge on being annihilated. Act 3 will see their return to the galaxy in the form of Luke Skywalker.

    There's always hope but it's very, very slim at several points ;)
  6. _Xanatos_ Jedi Knight

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    Umm, hope is lost, then Episode IV brings a new hope who is Luke.
  7. DarthAttorney Manager Emeritus

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    Hope is never lost at the end of Ep3 because the twins are alive, Obi-Wan/Yoda/Bail Organa are around to teach them when they come of age (except Bail dies when Alderaan is destroyed) and there is good left in Darth Vader. ;)
  8. Aunecah_Skywalker Jedi Grand Master

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    Hope remains until all else dies. ;)

    There should always be hope - for both sides - because you know that the galaxy is in a dark and white circle. Light has no meaning without dark and dark has no meaning without light - hence, the galaxy goes through both times. You can always hope that yours will be in the Light. :)

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  9. SomeRandomNerd Force Ghost

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    I have to disagree about the 3 act thing. (Well, I don't have to, but I want to. :) )

    The OT divided into 2- ANH as the first part, which stands alone, and then a bit of a gap before ESB and ROTJ tie together into the second part.

    Now, because of the 10 year gap between I & II and the 20 year gap between III & IV, the gap between IV and V is pretty much irrelevant.

    So TPM= Act 1.
    AOTC & Episode III= Act 2
    (*Interval*)
    OT= Act 3.
  10. Ret Jedi Grand Master

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    They always have hope with Luke and Leia.
  11. Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep

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    More like a four act:
    1) TPM
    2) AOTC and A Big Explosion (Episode III)
    3) ANH
    4) ESB and ROJ

    TPM and ANH both operate as stand alone stories setting up their respective trilogy.
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