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Lit How about a Light side type of villain?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Shira_French_Cheese, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. AlyxDinas

    AlyxDinas Jedi Knight star 4

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    I'd be entirely interested in a character who, somewhat like Kreia, wishes to destroy the Force. Except they only wish to destroy the dark side.
     
  2. The Compeer

    The Compeer Jedi Knight star 2

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    If they insist on Mortis remaining a thing, maybe someone who tries to resurrect/recreate the Daughter only? They'd be completely off their rocker, naturally, but it'd be an interesting kind of madman to try that.
     
  3. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I don't understand the dislike of Mortis. I can understand the dislike of what Denning did with Mortis.
     
  4. The Compeer

    The Compeer Jedi Knight star 2

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    I'm on the fence, personally, but I gather that a lot of people would rather that whole arc have been something allegorical, not something that physically happened just like it was depicted onscreen. You'll have to ask someone else to elaborate further than that, I'm afraid; I only saw snippets of it myself.
     
  5. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    That's what Denning did with it, as the episodes themselves give no answers to the reality or unreality of their contents.
     
  6. AlyxDinas

    AlyxDinas Jedi Knight star 4

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    It'd be better on a less literal level. Because then the character is free to engage in all kinds of potential "evils". How do they kill the dark side? Do they brutally hunt down members of other Force traditions preemptively, do they try to enact a ritual to destroy the actual dark side (and thus, a ritual that may kill off living beings), do they try to take over the Order? If they're not a Jedi, who are they? Are they a conqueror who imposes a strict, Hammurabi-esque code in their dominion? There's a lot that can be done.

    Look at Atris. She's being corrupted, sure, but she's the closest thing we have that fits the idea of a "Light" type of villain. And she works out wonderfully, in both TSL's narrative and in terms of backing up it's themes.
     
  7. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I am sick and tired of Lucas meddling in things he doesn't need mess with, and while he's not going have quite the same influence he used to, damage done with TCW and TFU.
     
  8. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    what
     
  9. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    DigitalMessiah, I don't think Mortis was really needed, though I haven't seen the episodes, so I can't directly comment on Mortis. Mortis is pretty much meaningless to me, because I see the Celestials as nothing more or less than the creators of the Maw and the engineers of the Corellian system.
     
  10. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    Yea, It is not like he created Star Wars!

    Oh, wait...
     
  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Denning's most recent book- Crucible- also has stuff about a monolith- but that, as far as we know, wasn't Mortis itself- though it may have been another creation of the Ones.

    It also goes into some detail on how the light side and dark side are both necessary- being creation and destruction respectively- and how, without the dark side, galactic empires would last forever.
     
  12. The Compeer

    The Compeer Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yeah, we hate monolithic galactic hegemons! Like the Republic...wait.
     
  13. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Celestials, the Maw, and the Corellian system have nothing to do with "Overlords," "Altar of Mortis," or "Ghosts of Mortis."
     
  14. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    True, but Denning made it so Kiliks said the Ones of Mortis were Celestials, well specifically "the Ones are what the Celestials become."

    I don't like the idea of the balance of the Force being personified in the Ones, its pointless to me.