How about something different, a PRO-USA Thread!!!

Since most of the threads here wind up against the US in some way or another, I thought I'd grab the bull by the horns.

BTW, my grandfather, a WWII veteran, says that the Al-Qaida rats are luky to be alive, in WWII, prisioners were killed "trying to escape", should apply here, too.

BTW, I know this is gonna be locked, but I don't care. I'm pissed off at how hypocritical some on these boards are.

USA! USA! USA!



As the thread author told me, "Because it's not gonna lead to anything good. It's served its purpose and now should be locked." so it gets locked.

 

Good change, I agree with it. Forget the fact the US is the first country in to help nations in need from earthquakes and other disasters. Forget we go to countries with food to end starvation and the people we feed turns on us, then we get treated like we are worse than Nazi's.

Maybe Uncle Sam should invent a time machine and let the French take care of themselves in WWI, or even worse WWII. I wonder how our European comrades would like to be a part of the vast Nazi Empire of Germania?

 

It sickens me that this only has one reply (two now). The US, whether you agree with its policies or not, has always been there for countries, we've given our all, and sacrificed countless men for other countries. Yet when they want us to help, but we can't, or we see no reason to help, they complain and say we're worse than the Nazis. It's just like the Republican-Democrat wars here in the States, it's all about spin, and people are lead to believe.

 

Yep. As a proud Republican-Patriot, I regret I did not think of this sooner.


WHen you look at the problems Europe has, hell, they don't even have their plumbing down right yet. They could not even handle the entire Bosnia conflict on their own. It took US Troops, myself included, to go in and set the standard.

Leftists, both here and abroad, hate the things that make the US great and strong. Things like the US military and the 2nd Amendment. NOtice how those are two things that are unholy (actually religion as well) to Leftists?

 

I also get tired of people who act like they got a grip on things are the ones who look at the US in a negative light, and those of us who see the good in this nation are arrogant American Yankees.

Does America have its faults? Yes

Alot less than European and Asian nations though, if they're nations had so few faults than millions of immigrants wouldnt have come to our shores. America admits no aristocracy save one of heroes. If Europe and Asia did this then they would be the beacon of light in the world not Uncle Sam. Truly this nation is blessed.

 

For some reason its damned if you do, damned if you don't, for the USA.

Note, I'm not intentionally offending anyone, but if my patriotism offends you, oh well...

 

Where's the discussion? Spouting Pro-American slogans and stories is more of a community thing.

 

If this belongs in communitty, fine. But spouting anti-american slogans seems to have dominated the senate floor....

I think it will have a bigger impact here in the senate

 

I'm so glad to see a pro-USA thread!

GO USA!

 

Try discussing this article. It's the same thing, but wrapped up in an intelligent article. In other words, a good excuse to keep a thread I rather like open

 

Then summarize the article and put something forward. Do a little legwork if you want to keep this open.

I'm as patriotic as the next jingoist, but I won't have a Pro-Country X thread flood in here.

 

yes i am rather happy that i live in a country where people are allowed to bash its self.. try getting away with saying such things elswhere. I also love how other countires (not going to name names, im not looking to offend) like to blame the US for many for thier domestic problems, and use this to galvanise thier populace to avoid thier own horribile mis-mangament and internal curruption. It is easy to limit one's freedoms when speaking out against thier onw goverment but allowing limitless freedom to bash the US is not right nor is it respectable in the eyes of the world. These kinds of actions i find a bit offensive at times.

 

TripleB wrote: the US military and the 2nd Amendment. NOtice how those are two things that are unholy (actually religion as well) to Leftists?

You're correct about Leftists hating the 2nd amendment, but not about them hating the military. Consider:

The U.S. entered WWI under the Progressive Democrat Pres. Wilson. The right-wing was isolationist and wanted to keep out of Europe's war. Many Americans who wanted to avoid "foreign entanglements" (as George Washington counselled) were imprisoned by America's leftist government for opposing the war.

The U.S. entered WWII under the socialist Democratic Pres. FDR. The right-wing was isolationist and wanted to keep out of Europe's war. The America First Committee is the prime example.

The U.S. waged the Korean War under the left-wing Democratic Pres. Truman.

The U.S. entered the Vietnam War under the left-wing Democrat Pres. Johnson (remember his "Great Society"?).

After all this, the isolationists in our country dwindled to just a proud handful. The socialists and leftists had been successful in converting almost the entire Republican party to their global interventionist program. Therefore...

The Republican Bush fought a U.N. war against Iraq.

The leftist Democrat Clinton fought against Serbia and continued Bush's bombing of Iraq.

Now the younger Bush is fighting a war against the very people Reagan compared to George Washington and the Minute Men.

In conclusion, the leftists love the military. Just look at the Soviets. They were nothing if not leftists and militarists. The right wing has historically been anti-war for the obvious reason that they are anti-state; and war is the health of the state. Lately, though, most "right-wingers" are cheerleaders for leftists such as Wilson, FDR, and Truman.

 

Good article, it explains the American psyche.

 

Okay then.

Basically, the article was written by someone who was sick of Europe (for the most part) treating the US like some rambunctions teenager, even after we bailed'em out of two World Wars and are constantly cleaning up for them in their own back yards.
Granted, the United States effort is just one of several in most wars. But if you look at history, the US was the deciding factor in pretty much all of them.
During the first World War, the Kaiser took great pains to keep the US busy (by attempting to entice both Mexico and Japan to attack the US) while he planned crushed Britain with his subs. Only German arrogance revealed the Zimmermann Telegram, and the United States entered the war just in time to save a sagging Britain. I, personally, like the Brits. They seem like cool folks for the most part.
The attitude of people as a whole in most other countries seems to be one of continuous questioning of America's ideals, motives, and decisions. I was born in Holland. I immigrated here (okay, okay--I was 5, and my parents dragged me along) eleven years ago. I have lots of family back there.
You wanna know their worry right after September 11th? That the American cowboy/"idiot" Bush would start a third World War by launching nuclear warheads. These are people, well into their forties, who are wrapped up in the myth of irresponsible American cowboys and a modern-day wild west.

My point is, there's an unjustified stereotype of Americans as rambunctions cowboys who own sixshooters and go to saloons. (There's a humorous story--one of my cousin's classmates, in their equivalent if the second or third grade, drew pictures of what they thought America was like and sent them to us. We ended up with nearly 20 pictures of saloons, all different designs and colors).
It's true--and something I'm very proud of, as an American citizen--that Americans are some of the most fiercely independent people on the planet. Yet we are also some of the most patriotic, binding our loyalty to this country over any other on the earth.
So, my question: Why/how is this stereotypical myth perpetrated (the myth of American hot-headedness/idiocy)? Is it through movies and icons of American culture? Wishful thinking on the former powers of the civilized world?

Now I must go sleep.

 

We are the best. We have the most open borders in the world. Which means we take all of the people others don't want. We are the most diverse nation in the world and yet, perhaps the most patrotic.

America is a nation of paradoxes that make sense..

 

Binary Sunset When I refer to leftists, I am refering to the Extreme Left Wing of America, as in those that primarily came of age in the 60's. You know the type I mean.

One thing that I found amusing, is the ongoing debate over Slavery Reparations. The United States only practices Slavery for about 90 years, from 1776 to 1866. Importing slaves from Africa or other lands was banned in the 1820's, I believe.

Spain, England, Portugal, and France are the ones most directly responsible for the AFrican Slave Trade, starting it back in the late 1400's/Early 1500's, yet they for some reason are being given a pass by the NAACP and Africa........

 

We have more money than those other countries.

 

True. If the argument is simply who did it, then they are MUCH more culpable and liable for damages then the US should be.

Spain, Portugal, England and France commited the slave trade for almost 500 years in some cases.


The 'cases' of blacks being transported by the above governments probably dwarfs any US Slave ships by any stretch.

But I guess that is too much to ask of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Danny Glover.

 

If all three of those guys sold their expensive wardrobes and cut down on their travel expenses, they could start their own reperation fund. Nah, better i pay for it.

 

Great article! He's right it was the Europeans that started both world wars, and if not for Americans in western Europe the Soviets (another European nation) would have started the third.

Maybe some European's should read it and be grateful we didn't decide to make the world our Empire. Perhaps even show a little gratitude that we did our jobs, kept them from being over ran and prop up their economies until they could walk on their own, and what do we get for it? Insulted.

 

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.

None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC 10?

If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them when the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

Well said Mr Sinclair. I am one Yankee who is glad our Canadian brethern stands beside us and understands us. Were practically one nation sharing a peaceful border for nearly 200 years. Thats something I dont think any other nation has been able to accomplish without absorbing the other nation.

 

I don't particularly feel that all threads here end up being anti-US. It's more an issue of many of you good people being hyper-sensitive to criticism. As someone said in a thread, our comments aren't angry condemnations, but concerned advice from your friends. You need to realise that the US isn't paradise on earth, it isn't the best nation on earth - no nation is. You've done a great deal for the world, but you are not the world.
But you done alright my lads, you done alright.


Except for Webster's awful bloody spelling...


-J


EDIT: fixed markup

 

I agree with Wedge's Wingman. Here's a repost of part of a quote I posted in the Guantanamo camp thread:

The unsettling paradox of the United States is that it is the greatest superpower the world has ever known and yet, in many ways, is deeply parochial and insular. It seems almost incapable of seeing itself as others see it. It appears genuinely puzzled when the merest hint of criticism is offered. Its reaction, invariably, is a wounded: "Can't those guys see that we're doing all this for them? Hell, we could just pull up the drawbridge and let the ungrateful bastards stew in their own juices."

 

It's rather interesting that pro-USA thread quickly turns into anti-Europe thread. As Wedges_Wingman pointed out Americans seem to take every bit of critic too seriously. I have to admit that I don't really like the fact that USA is only superpower in the world today. I don't think I'm anti-American but there should be several equally powerful nations in the world. And that's only because then world would become more democratic (remember the three principles: liberty, fraternity and equality). I have to admit (and I think everybody else should too) that we Europeans owe a lot to Americans because of Marshal Aid and all the other post-WW2 aid.

But I don't agree with people say that Europeans would have started WW3 if not for Americans.
Unlike many Americans seem to think we learned from WW2. And we paid dearly from the lesson.
I'm not forgetting Americans who also paid heavy price for participating in the war but in Europe all men, women and children had to experience the war. There were about 20 European countries in war and all but three (UK, USSR and Finland) were entirely conquered by foreign troops. And nobody in Europe wants to experience it again, so we rather try to avoid further wars and try to find alternative solutions to international problems. If I take a Star Wars example, I would say that Americans think like Kyp in NJO and Europeans think like Skywalker (this is not exactly accurate example but it?s close).

I would like to one more time point out that USA has done lot of good things for the world for which I?m grateful but USA is not perfect and should stand a little critic, like rest of us should too.