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JCC How autistic are you?

Discussion in 'Community' started by vin, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Just going with the general flow, Ramza; didn't intentionally derail anything.
     
  2. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I don't know about autism spectrum disorders in particular, but the DSM can be pretty ****ing broad.
     
  3. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's cool, that was a general directive.
     
  4. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yep, and they removed AS from the new list, which angered a lot of people.
     
  5. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i wasnt either. the whole problem with inbreeding, which results in the problematic phenotypes, (observable, physiological effects), commonly associated with inbreeding in the public mind, is one of too much "purity" - ie a lack of genetic diversity
     
  6. Boba_Fett_2001

    Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One star 8

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    aaaaahahhahaahahhahahahaha
     
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  7. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    I disagree with that; there's tons of differences among people now, in every nation around the world. The defects are mostly limited to genes of close relatives being combined, like siblings or first cousins. Biblically, we're all related anyway, but the closer the match, the more likely a defect will occur.
     
  8. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He's stating a fact, and you're disagreeing? How?
     
  9. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't understand your question.
     
  10. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    okay yes there is genetic diversity in the global population. that's not what im saying. im saying what causes problems in inbreeding is when people closely related to each other produce offspring, their genetic inheritance is too similar (pure) and this leads to phynotypic problems. hence, "purity" is not a good thing to have in genetics
     
  11. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    I feel like everyone with 10 or less should form an elite club.
     
  12. jp-30

    jp-30 Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Where's the Ignore This God button, again?


    Edit: Missed the directive from on high. Sorry!
     
  13. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Shouldn't have used the Ignore this Mod feature.
     
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  14. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, we're using separate definitions of the word "purity", in this case.
     
  15. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    [​IMG]

    Supreme Being. Perfect cells.
     
  16. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    Rogue Number Ten, I'm not sure how well that argument actually works. Genetic "purity" relative to a given ethnicity or even a particular family would probably mean a genotype that includes/expresses the dominant allelic patterns within that group of individuals. So, for instance even areas with very high endemic rates of sickle cell anemia, the "purest" possible genotype would be someone that only carries the trait, with both those who are trait negative and people who have sickle cell disease being equally "impure." I guess what you could say is that attempts to maintain purity are likely to lead to bad consequences, but the "purity" itself can't really be construed as such.
     
  17. vin

    vin Chosen One star 6

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    I bet inbreeding caused moviefan's autism.
     
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  18. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    so far as im aware, the only time "purity" is used as a term in modern biology to refer to genetics is in terms of the introduction of new genetic information to a line. the lack introduction of new genetic information is precisely why inbreeding is dangerous

    but lets not lose sight of the point, which is that Moviefan2k4 has no working understanding of genetics and should stfu
     
  19. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Asperger's Syndrome is a developmental change that takes place in the womb, giving approximately 3 of every 1,000 people a different "mental map" than the rest. This causes us to view the world very differently, and can hinder our ability to comprehend or communicate properly in social situations. A common complaint I've both experienced and read about is those with A.S. being unable to make people understand their intent. We often have very high IQs and extensive vocabularies, but there's a disconnection on a more basic communication level.
     
  20. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    I'd say its because some genes are too damaged after centuries of decay, for close relatives to produce healthy children.

    Actually, I understand some of the basics just fine; its the complicated medical terms which often confuse me.
     
  21. Zapdos

    Zapdos Force Ghost star 5

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    like for instance how you didn't understand that vin was making a joke
     
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  22. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i beg to differ. here's why:

    this statement indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of the basis of genetic inheritence. the bit about genes being "damaged after centuries of decay" is nonsensical. the problem with inbreeding has nothing to do with "decay". it has to do with the lack of diversity between the two parent organisms.

    all organisms carry at least some genes that code for deleterious phenotypic outcomes, even when they do not exhibit those traits themselves. when you breed two close relatives, you are greatly decreasing the diversity of alleles inherited and, thereby, greatly increasing the chance of two deleterious but recessive alleles at the same loci, leading to a higher frequency of genetic disorders in the inheriting organism
     
  23. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    That doesn't sound like something he'd say... like, at all. You've got to have him confused with somebody else.
     
  24. Jabba-wocky

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    I guess I'm not familiar with "purity" being a useful term at all within genetics in the first place. There are specific terms for whatever is trying to be described: founder effect, selective inbreeding, etc. I don't see why there's any reason one would revert to a term that has such a non-specific and uncertain meaning. My approach was therefore trying to come up with the closest equivalent to the lay usage of the term--which is probably most appropriate anyway, since Moviefan admits he was speaking as a layman. This would yield a definition centered on stable allelic frequencies, and would therefore seem to reduce to something like Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium.

    EDIT: Moviefan2k4, Even has never said anything so violent or cruel about anyone. I can say with certainty that you must have confused him with someone else. He doesn't even joke like that.
     
  25. Moviefan2k4

    Moviefan2k4 Jedi Master star 4

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    That has more to do with the text form of message boards than anything else, in my opinion.