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Lit How can Imperials be fascists...

Discussion in 'Literature' started by NihilusLordOfHunger, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Considering the America-centric nature of the SWEU I'm not surprised at the lack of diverse political opinion.
     
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  2. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 4

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    The Clone Wars also implies a galactic socialist "safety net" of some sort, since the war effort has resulted in the rationing and cessation of a number of these services.
     
  3. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yep, as a left-wing European (to be sure, some of my political beliefs must be the stuff of nightmare to many Americans), I've always wondered why we never see anything resembling my beliefs in Star Wars.
    What, never?
    No, never.
    What, never?
    Well, hardly ever.
     
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  4. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Someone should write a fanfic about galactic communism in the GFFA.
     
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  5. jSarek

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    Which is why, I would suspect, there hasn't been a push for the rights of laborers and the oppressed. The laborers in the worst jobs are programmed to be there, and if their experiences lead them to question that programming, well, you just erase their experiences. Can you imagine how the 20th Century labor movement would have gone if robber barons could just memory wipe their labor? And further, as Supreme Chancellor Lyndon Johnson might say, "If you can convince the lowest organic he's better than the best droid, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him a droid to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
     
  6. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What? We know there's still slave labour used. LITERAL slave labor, in areas like Hutt Space and the Corporate Sector. I theorize the Corporate Sector isn't long for the world over in Legends, after the mentioned slave rebellion. We know that previous experiments ended in similar ways, no reason to assume the Corporate Sector isn't about to fall, maybe its one areas where the Fel Empire took over through inspiring public support?
     
  7. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Didn't the corporate sector cease to exist by the legacy era anyway?

    And the Hutts have maintained slavery for over 25,000 years.
     
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  8. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Brotherhood of the Cruciform Lasersword.

    I am somewhat skeptical about this article. I feel like whoever wrote it just used the term 'socialist' to describe concepts that were never given that name in the source material. I don't have it with me but I am almost positive it was never used in the XWRS storyline cited there.

    Personally I think it's interesting that outside of a few very minor concepts, even during the very early books and WEG stuff the Empire is never really conceived of as an analog of the USSR, despite Reagan's attempts to the contrary.
     
  9. Landb

    Landb Jedi Knight star 1

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    The Empire had several structural similarities to the USSR, but that's probably because the Empire's organizational setup was largely determined by WEG, who were pretty much the only ones to use that angle. Very little of that made it into other books. COMPNOR was one of several aspects which had a ton of Soviet flavor, but were barely used outside of WEG material.

    It was quite different policy-wise though, and even in WEG wasn't painted as an explicit USSR in Spaaaaaace. Then again, I'm one of those people who argues that it's not even Nazis in Spaaaaaace in much beyond aesthetics, except for the qualities it shares with several other authoritarian governments.

    It's an unholy combination of classic colonial empires, Stalin-era USSR, Nazi Germany, and Mordor, with a dash of Imperial Rome and others. A pastiche of nearly every form of autocratic dickery one could name, armed with giant lasers. Which I think is a much better choice than making an explicit analog for the enemy of the week, keeps the story feeling timeless.
     
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  10. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    And they've already got their own John Williams theme music. =D=
     
  11. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    It's important to realize monoculture does not exist in Star Wars.

    Every possible iteration of every element of human history and infinite combinations exist because RULE OF COOL.

    Hence we could get Soviet Knights fighting against Viking Kung-Fu Masters.
     
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  12. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Was that a deleted chapter cut from CoPL?
     
  13. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  14. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I get the impression that the Core Worlds, despite their monarchies and aristocracies, also generally tend to have a European-style social net going on. It's the sort of thing that the Separatists couldn't stand.
     
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  15. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Agreed, I think Core Worlders (and their colonies that still keep to Core Worlder standards like Eriadu, Naboo, all of the New Territories etc) acknowledge and accept a Napoleonic-egalitarian viewpoint towards their fellow citizens. The ones that seem to practice near-feudalism are the Tapani (Colonies DISTANT from Coruscant) and Senex-Juvex.
     
  16. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    We already had Clone Wars speeder jousts with Durge.
     
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  17. Darth_Duck

    Darth_Duck Chosen One star 5

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    I was always sad that never became a LEGO set. They love making speeders.

    Sent from my SM-G386W using Tapatalk
     
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  18. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The empire is interesting in that is a duel system-the complex Nazi/Soviet bureaucracies and agencies all competing and Palpatine's sith and his various agents and dark side organizations.

    The secular and spiritual aspects of the empire exist apart from another and there seems to be some sort of tension between them.
     
  19. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Double Post Edit
     
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  20. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I also think it's important to note the Empire is also based on fictional forces.

    Dune
    E.E. "Doc" Smith
    Flash Gordon
     
  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    [oops]
     
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  22. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    The Imperial Mission might be a good hint towards galactic socialist initiatives. On the other hand, Hutt Space couldn't be more ripe for a worker's revolution.
     
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  23. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Didn't an early draft of Star Wars have a line about the empire having just nationalised commerce?
     
  24. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Yup- deleted scene with Biggs and Luke on Tatooine.

    Novelization:


    "What good's all your uncle's work if the Empire takes it over? You know they've already started to nationalize commerce in the central systems. It won't be long before your uncle is just a tenant, slaving for the greater glory of the Empire."
     
  25. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The empire did most certainly nationaliz e the various CIS conglomerates after the clone wars.
     
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