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Full Series How can the original show NOT be canon?

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by Dark-lord97, May 2, 2015.

  1. Dark-lord97

    Dark-lord97 Jedi Master star 1

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    Pardon me if I am dead wrong here.

    But how can the original clone wars show possibly be counted as legends? It filled in very important plot holes between Episodes II and III, showed how the characters developed and bonded with each other, how Anakin became a Jedi and so on. It didn't really contradict the newer animated show either, so why is it not canon? To me it's almost important as the movies in terms of contunity and this is kind of a slap in the face.
     
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  2. Kassius Konstantine

    Kassius Konstantine Jedi Master star 1

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    Originally it was intended for TCW to cover the timeframe of the old show, too. In order to avoid contradictions or overlaps, and to allow more freedoms to the writers of TCW, Tartakovsky's show was downgraded.
    I for one don't mind. It is still a nice work of art in its strong parts, regardless of its canonicity.
     
  3. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It's still canon to me.
     
  4. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    In my head, all cartoons are canon. :)
     
  5. Chancellor Yoda

    Chancellor Yoda Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Actually, if you think about it, you can squeeze in both shows together. Both volumes of the micro series seemed to be before and after TCW as TCW never showed events leading up to ROTS. The micro series first volume also seemed to be before TCW, but I might be wrong about these assumptions. Either way, I enjoy both series whether there canon or not, then again I never really cared what was canon in the first place as long as it was a good story and fun.
     
  6. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    It's not Canon for the same reason The EU is not Canon to give space.
     
  7. ARC_RC-7567

    ARC_RC-7567 Jedi Knight star 3

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    This and a few of the Star Wars: Republic things are still in my head canon.
     
  8. Darth_Harmon

    Darth_Harmon Jedi Master star 4

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    This is a pet peeve of mine, you are misusing the term "plot holes".

    Official definition: "A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation"

    Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are a logical story progression. Just because we do not see the events in between (until the 2D and 3D Clone Wars series released) does not mean that plot holes existed or had to be filled.

    Not seeing Anakin's knighting ceremony or Palpatine's capture are not plot holes. They are simply events that we did not see. A plot hole would be if, in A New Hope, Obi-Wan said "Anybody can use the force and become a Jedi" or if in Revenge of the Sith we saw that Leia was not Luke's sister despite Return of the Jedi telling us he is.
     
  9. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    I really wish this series was still considered canon because it seems to cover the period before TCW and then it covers events closer to ROTS. The only thing in it that I see as contradictory is Grevious' immense skill.
     
  10. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Official canon definition doesn't mean the story doesn't make sense.

    My clone wars blu-rays have ALWAYS sat between volumes 1 and 2 (sadly my only current Star Wars DVDs, as there's been no re-release) of the microseries.

    The show's over, and it's unlikely they'll ever be contradicted to the point of impossibility (though there have always been some contradictions), so I still accept them as canon on a personal note.
     
  11. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Basically they kept everything Lucas worked on as canon. I would imagine if Lucas took no part in the making of TCW it wouldn't be canon anymore either.
     
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  12. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There is a way to kinda of squeeze this in too, you just have to change timeline events. Move the 1st two seasons of the gendy series as well as novels like cestus deception,jedi trial,shatterpoint, and dark rendevous to the first six months of the war.

    jedi trial depicts Anakin last mission before being made a knight and Christophis in the tcw movie is stated to be 6 months after genosis already. Then move season 3 of the gendy series and labryinth of evil novel to after season six of tcw.

    There are some problems such as depa bilaba In shatterpoint going colonel kurtz when in the neu she would be training Kanan from rebels at this point.
     
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  13. Binary Sunset

    Binary Sunset Jedi Knight star 4

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    Honestly, Star Wars: Clone Wars should be canon. The show featured plenty of good moments and characters. It was the jump-start to TCW.
     
  14. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Recent one April 2015:
    How the Clone Wars microseries led the way for Star Wars' return to TV
    Lisa Granshaw
    http://www.blastr.com/2015-4-29/how-clone-wars-microseries-led-way-star-wars-return-tv
    2012:
    http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/...e_Of_His_SW_Clone_Wars_MicroSeries_148068.asp
    2008:
     
  15. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 6

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    Thanks for this overdose of Genndy interviews, he was one of my role models as a teen. :)
     
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  16. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    There are only some contradictions so it still works.
     
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  17. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Been a while since I watched the now non canon clone wars show but from what I remember I believe Anakin has a much different personality in that show than he did in TCW.
     
  18. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yea he acted the way he REALLY acted in the movies.
     
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  19. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Right, his portrayal is more in line with the films, so technically TCW is a bit more out of line.

    But TCW portrays Anakin as he SHOULD have been from the beginning, so I'm hardly complaining.
     
  20. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't think that is something to be proud of. The way he acted in the movies was not a very fluid transition from point A to point B at all. What TCW did was give Anakin's characterization a more fluid transition and made the differences between him from Ep. II to III more believable.
     
  21. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So he goes back to being a brat in ROTS?
     
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  22. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    I write that up to a very average writer and director and I think most would be smart not to write and direct like Lucas did.
     
  23. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    TCW made it much more believable how a little bratty kid like we saw in Ep. II and III could be in charge of leading armies alongside Obi Wan. Lucas just chose to show us the extremes (and maybe he wasn't a good enough writer to show the non extremes).
     
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  24. TrandoJedi

    TrandoJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Although I prefer the microseries, Anakin was a more likable character in TCW and that was great!
     
  25. SilentGuy66

    SilentGuy66 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    TCW made Anakin a character you could actually root for plus his voice was so much cooler than the EMO sounding Anakin of the 2d series:p