DeVore420: I agree that this is supporting evidence that Leia is not considered the "other" hope - though I think the absence of Leia's involvement with the Force, and the fact that the saga is about Anakin's rise, fall, and redemption are both stronger evidence. I would also agree totally with this, if I were to make the same basic assumptions that you do. In my opinion, there is enough evidence in the movies to make "Jedi vs Sith" the agenda of Yoda and ObiWan. The story is still about Anakin - only the story now emphasizes Luke's accomplishment. Having Yoda and ObiWan plan to redeem Anakin all along opens up for inconsistencies, and I am not comfortable with the "need-to-know-basis" kind of argument that has been presented to cover them up. DarthSkeptical: Well, again, the point is context. Ben says, "That boy was our last hope". Yoda says, "No, there is another." So we're talking here about Ben and Yoda's last hope. We have to assess what, then, were their ambitions. And I think if you believe that it's simply to defeat the Emperor, then really anyone could be that. I don't think that's how they see it. Yoda says "Only a fully trained Jedi, with the force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor". So it's not a job for just anyone. He or she must be a jedi. I don't think they want them killed, as in being on a big thing that explodes, thus disitegrating their bodies. Yoda and Ben wants them vanquished, they want the Sith annihilated, crushed, humiliated. Just as the movie audience is not satisfied with the arch-villain suddenly dying from a heart-attack, Yoda and Ben would not be satisfied with V&E ending up simply without a pulse. They want some sort of catharsis. I am not certain though, that they specifically want and hope for Anakins redemption to be that catharsis. Yoda and Obi-Wan does not know about the DS2, in fact it is debatable whether they know anything at all about the political conflict. I give this to you, I am very attracted to your views, in that it makes for a very good story. Only problem is, I find it hard to match that particular story with the inconsistensies I see that comes with it. It makes more sense to think that they're talking about the restoration of balance to the Force, which includes not only the death of the Emperor (or at least his power), but the re-emplacement of the master-padawan paradigm. Interesting. I am looking forward to learning more about what this balance actually means in the upcoming movies. I tend to think of it right now as the force wanting to be used from both sides, in harmony and balance. Yoda from TPM does not seem to be thrilled about the balance, therefore I (for now) assume Yoda in the OT is still not an advocate for balance.