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How did the Empire build up between ANH-ESB?

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  1. taramidala

    taramidala Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jun 18, 1999
    Don't get me wrong -- I love the Luke and Mara pairing, and the part in VotF was one we'd all been waiting years for, but if you're going for a kiss as in a well-written, hormonally charged, heat-of-passion moment, I'd have to say the Luke and Callista kiss from the end of CotJ (you know, the one after he wakes up and they're discussing the matter of her Force-loss...where is Jedi Callie when I need her, lol).


    BTW, I know I'm gonna lose this one. But it IS better written than, "Their lips came together in a kiss." -- VotF

    [This message has been edited by taramidala (edited 02-21-2000).]
  2. Jaina SoIo

    Jaina SoIo Jedi Youngling

    Feb 6, 2000
    Hmmm... This should be separated into 2 different catergories--the best Luke/Mara kiss, and the best kiss overall...

    As much as I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Luke and Mara, I think the best kiss goes to Luke and Callista in CotJ, when he's laying down, and he doesn't know if he's dreaming or not. The best Luke/Mara kiss should got to that one little chapter dedicated to Luke and Mara in Onslaught (Chapter 7)... It was so sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!

  3. LisaJ

    LisaJ Jedi Youngling star 2

    Aug 1, 1999
    Best Kiss...

    Luke/Mara, Vision of the Future

  4. Phoenix928

    Phoenix928 Jedi Youngling star 3

    Dec 2, 1999
    The VoTF scene takes it, in my opinion. I mean, yes, the actual description of the scene was fairly straightforward. No extremely meaningful metaphors, no swarms of adjectives, nothing like that. But the reason why I think it works so well is because of all the lead-up to it... I mean, ten years, those two knew each other. Ten long years, of them fighting at each other's sides, seemingly growing closer every time they were together... we went from pure hatred, to stressed tolerance, to acceptance, to friendship, and finally, to love. And all the other works that we've seen Mara in have contributed to that one moment.

    Personally, I think Timothy Zahn's simplistic, no nonsense approach to the whole thing was far more effective than any long, drawn out description could have been. A lot of us saw a relationship between Jade and Skywalker coming, a lot of us willed it to happen for a long time, and finally, boom... there is.

    No fanfare, none of that. Just a quiet, culmination of events. Simple? Yes. "But it was so artistically done..."
  5. Fion Grell

    Fion Grell Jedi Youngling star 1

    Feb 13, 2000
    I dunno, Jaded?I was the first to vote and now I have to wait a few decades (OK, days) to be able to vote again. I really, REALLY, REALLY think you should have multiple awards to be voted on simultaneously.
    PS: if I'm not wrong, this should be the first post on page 2!
  6. Callie_17

    Callie_17 Jedi Youngling

    Aug 5, 1998
    Best kiss, huh? Luke and Mara, Vision of the Future... although Onslaught is a good second.
  7. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 20, 1999

    OMBB&B and VSoSS
  8. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 20, 1999
    Please at least nominate Kueller and Nil Spaar for best villain.

    OMBB&B and VSoSS
  9. womp_rat208

    womp_rat208 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Nov 8, 1999
    Luke/Mara in VOTF
  10. Jaded Skywalker

    Jaded Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

    Nov 24, 1999
    And where back with your host, Jaded Skywalker at the 2000 EU Awards taking place on this wonderful evening at's one and only Jedi Council literature Forums.

    Well your opinions and votes were tallied up for Best Star Wars EU Kiss (and personally I thought a fight was going to break out among the Jade and Callista fans but anyway lets keep it simple and non flammable)

    And the moment you have all been waiting for-

    the winner is-------


    And now we will quickly move on to our next category.

    Best of the "Tales" Books

    and the nominees are-

    Tales from Jabba's Palace
    Tales From Mos Eisley Cantina
    Tales of the New Republic
    Tales of the Bounty Hunters
    Tales from the Empire

    cast in your votes now!

    Which "Tale" Book will win? We'll find out when we come back from our commercial break!

    Jaded Skywalker, your 2000 EU Awards host
  11. Jaina SoIo

    Jaina SoIo Jedi Youngling

    Feb 6, 2000
    Haven't read any of them yet, but I've got Tales from the New Republic in my bookshelf and I'm just waiting to crack it open. I hear Timothy Zahn's got a story in there, so my vote automatically goes to Tales from the New Republic!

  12. kresie

    kresie Jedi Youngling

    Dec 12, 1999
    *kresie pauses for a moment to admire her new rank of jedi knight*

    Not so fast, Jaina SoIo. Timothy Zahn also has two short stories (one co-written with Michael Stackpole) in Tales from the Empire in addition to the ones in Tales from the New Republic. Though I think all four stories are good, plus the one Stackpole wrote alone in Empire, I think that Tales from the New Republic is a better book, every single story considered. My vote goes for that one.

    [This message has been edited by kresie (edited 02-23-2000).]
  13. Waning Drill

    Waning Drill Jedi Knight star 5

    Dec 30, 1999
    My top 3 "Tales" books, even though I love'em all:

    Tales from Jabba's Palace edges out Tales from the Mos Eisely Cantina by a hair or two. It had more varied elements (the monks etc..) than TftMEC, and the stories about Mara Jade, Boba Fett, and the Gamorrean Gartogg make it a fun read.

    Tales from the New Republic beats Tales from the Empire easily. I found TftE to be a major bore, and most of the stories were horribly paced and confusing. Nothing seemed to happen until "Sidetrip", and then the book was over. There were some good stories in there, but mostly it was like reading wood. Tales from the NR was highly entertaining, and had some wonderfully deep and touching dialogue. Much more creative elements than the stale TftE. Stories like "Interlude at Darkknell", "Gathering Shadows", "The Longest Fall", "Uhl Eharl Khoehng", and "Simple Tricks" I found to be absolutely brilliant and refreshing.

    Tales of the Bounty Hunters was just great. Even though I didn't like the Death Star subplot, I liked the way KJA portrayed IG-88's mechanical mind. The Dengar story was a very large, tragic story that held my attention throughout, and Dave Wolverton proved he can write good chemistry between two characters. The Bossk one was alright, but I wouldn't want to try and explain the plot to anyone. The tale of Zuckuss and 4-LOM was very good in the way it kept me guessing, and was full of wonderfully entertaining turns. Boba Fett's story was definately the best, and I loved the backstory it provided. The moral conversation at the end was truly captivating. It really defined the characters of Boba Fett and Han Solo for me.

    So, what's the best "Tales" book? Well, it's a close tie between TotBH and TftNR. I suppose I'll have to go with Tales from the New Republic. That's my vote.
  14. Phoenix928

    Phoenix928 Jedi Youngling star 3

    Dec 2, 1999
    Prepare for long-windedness...

    My vote: Tales from the New Republic, followed closely by Tales from the Empire...



    1. Garm Bel Iblis, Hal Horn, Ysanne Isard, and Moranda Savich all bouncing around together... fun...

    2. The origins of the Jade's Fire and one of everyone's favorite Togorians, H'sishi...

    3. Platt O'Keefe... she's just cool...

    4. Same story, complete with SpecForce Infiltrator... WOO HOO! (On par with SpecForce Pathfinders, but that's something else... )

    5. Ghitsa Dodger, Fenig Nabon and Shada D'ukal messing with a bunch of Hutts...

    6. The obvious, but still refreshing, and just plain cool "rip-off" of Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge...

    7. New Republic Intelligence Operations rule...

    8. Boba Fett? A nice guy? Well, it's a novelty...

    9. The best sabacc player in the galaxy... gotta love it...

    10. More Ghitsa and Fen, only running around with Jedi this time... fun!

    As for Tales from the Empire:

    1. "Pleased to meet you, Talon Karrde. You can call me Mara Jade." Bonk!

    2. Wookies, Imperials, a budding Rebel and her Force Sensitive boyfriend, and a band that smuggles top secret armor prototypes in their musical equipment. What more do you need to know?

    3. Thaddeus Ross and Adalric Brandl... yay!

    4. C'mon... Corran sucked some kind of bird into his X-wing's engine... that's just funny... in a sort of twisted way...

    5. And of course, the story about the Rebel medic who scored his first kill... this one has sentimental value for me. I once ran an RPG campaign where the team medic ended up killing just about everything he ever fought, even though he tried to use non-lethal means to fight them. We called him Malpractice for a reason. Oh, and the name of the story character was "Aurin", and our character was "Orin"... coincidence? Hmmm...
  15. Rogue 11

    Rogue 11 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Jan 8, 1999
    Tales of the New Republic.
  16. Fion Grell

    Fion Grell Jedi Youngling star 1

    Feb 13, 2000
    Wow, the by far most difficult category so far (IMHO). I loved all the tales books, because, though they don't have a continuous story line that keeps you captivated till the end, are full of fun little stories of which at least 80% are nice to read, and if you're ever sitting at home, alone, bored, your internet connection is down so you can't visit your favorite SW site, TF.N (of course) and know noone to call, you'll appreciate how fun it is to go back and read one of your favorite stories from a tales book?when I do that, though, I usually end up reading the whole book except for the stories I didn't like.
    Anyway, to finally come to my vote?very hard. I like all the tales books the same, but I think I'll go against the flow on this one and vote TftMEC. Anybody else here like "Empire Blues: The Devaronian's Tale" by Daniel Keys Moran? It's the one about the butcher of Montellian Serat (whose real name is Kardue'sai'Malloc), the entity with the highest bounty in the galaxy on his head. The story's just great, and is continued brilliantly in TftBH. I think Keys Moran is a great author who writes extremely humorously (in a perverted sort of way) and wish he could write a SW book sometime.
    Not that I don't like TftNR, but I think votes )95% to a lot of 1%s are dumb when all nominees are of the same worth (IMO, again).
  17. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Dec 27, 1999
    My vote goes to, Tales of the Bounty Hunters.
  18. cmulligan01

    cmulligan01 Jedi Master star 3

    Jul 18, 1998
    I'd have to say Tales from the New Republic. Side Trip, imo, was better than Interlude at Darknell but the average story in NR I felt was of a little higher quality than in TftE. I though about saying Tales from the Bounty Hunters but KJA's story is so bad that I can't vote for it.
  19. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Apr 20, 1999
    Jabba's Palace.
  20. Dark Vador

    Dark Vador Jedi Youngling star 1

    Dec 5, 1999
    Definitely "tales of the bounty hunters"

    anything edited by peter schefofjhgoer was crap:no unity at all, and in TftE, I had the impression to read the same story again and again: guy/girl doesn't care about the empire, the empire messes up with them, then they consider joining the rebellion. Utter crap.
  21. Miguelburrito

    Miguelburrito Jedi Youngling star 1

    Feb 2, 2000
    Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina
  22. Jaded Skywalker

    Jaded Skywalker Jedi Padawan star 4

    Nov 24, 1999
    Well were back after that long commercial break (sorry for the long periods between nominees, I'll try to improve that on our next episode)

    And Wow! I must say it was fun to read all of your nominations and explanations. One word of caution though from our sponsers- allow a spot where it specifically tells who you nominate, either at the top or bottom of your paragraphs It make it a lot easier to count the votes.

    And enough side talk lets get to the winner!

    And the award goes to---------------


    for Best "Tales" Book

    It was a difficult catergory and there were a few close calls but they edged out to win!

    Now we will quickly speed to our next award- and ladies and gentlemen this is purely for fun- One for the girls voting and one for the guys-

    For the Girls-
    Who would you rather marry

    For the Guys-
    Who would you rather marry

    These are aged old question and I would like to point out these are for fun so now flamming wars here please or security will have to be called and gently escort you out of the awards arena.

    And now for a more serious question-

    The Best of the Worst Villan's plans to destroy the New Republic (the dumbest failed plan)
    -The reserected Emperor-
    -Durga the Hutt-

    Please remember that we all have different opinions and that I am trying my best to please everyone in nominations.

    To identify your vote write at the top of your post what category and who you are voting for. Thanks

    And now when we come back well see which nominees go home with or a lit. award!!

    Jaded Skywalker, your 2000 EU Awards host

    [This message has been edited by Jaded Skywalker (edited 02-25-2000).]
  23. Jaina SoIo

    Jaina SoIo Jedi Youngling

    Feb 6, 2000
    My vote for who I would marry (I'm a girl):

    Are you OUTTA YOUR MIND!?! LoL... J/k--but I think it's impossible deciding on who I would marry... I always loved Han (And I drop dead every time I see a pic of Harrison ford--Even though I'm only 15!), the Rogue, his half grin and shady background, but I also loved the boy next door (Luke), and ever since Union came out I've had this weird obsession with him. Besides, I think it would be too weird to marry my dad... Then again, my Uncle isn't much better... Don't count this as a vote!!!

    And as for the Best/Worst evil person/plot... Well, There really is no worst villian... I mean, as much as I loved Daala, everything really went downhill for her. First, she had 4 Star Destroyers, then none... I felt really bad. I really liked Kreuller, because I think his idea about the droids was a really good idea... I LOVED the book Darksaber, but thought it was kinda stupid bringing back ANOTHER Death Star... But oh well. I liked them all...

  24. cmulligan01

    cmulligan01 Jedi Master star 3

    Jul 18, 1998
    Durga the Hutt

    though the cloned Emperor comes in a pretty close second.
  25. Red-Seven

    Red-Seven Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Oct 21, 1999
    I figure I better get my vote in, before the catagory gets an avalanche of contrary votes. I'm figuring everyone's gonna say Mara, because she's the more vibrant and current of the two...but i'm going to go against the crowd and say:


    she's got enough sass, enough brains, and even though it may not seem like it, she's as strong a character as mara. not as abrasive, i suppose. plus, i don't mind having a wife more important than me...and if it's good enough for Han....besides, mara would drive me into an early grave.

    worst bad-guy thingy....

    cloned emperor

    yuck. that was the worst idea ever. geez, go and nullify anakin's sacrifice, and corrupt luke at the same time. great.

    "Nice shot, Red 2!"

    [This message has been edited by Red-Seven (edited 02-25-2000).]
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