How did the Rebels capture so many ISD's...And, how do Imperial Naval crews defect?

If Stormtroopers and Imperial Army Troops are so loyal, then how did the Rebels capture so many ISD's? To capture an ISD, it must takes a large force of troops. But how did Imperial Navay personal defect? They first had to get rid of the stormtroopers. How does a crew get rid of 9,700 stormtroopers aboard an ISD?

 

Theyre STORMTROOPERS!!!!!!! its not that hard to kill them yaknow. cheap plastic, huge in armored cracks, and no shooting capability whatsoever. its too easy.

 

First of all, the Rebellion didn't capture any ISDs to my knowledge before Endor, where they captured two. Mainly becuase after the Emperor died it was every ship for itself. Captains surrendered to the larger forces rather then being destroyed, stoormtroopers follow.

 

Simple. Poisonous gas in their living quarters and the mess halls.

Then you remove any air in those areas and the stormtroopers with helmets will eventually suffocate.

 

Is that actually been documented matt?

 

No,but it's probaly what happened in most cases.

True stormtroopers were fanatically loyal and would consider surrender to be an act of betrayel.

It's like having Nazi SS agents on your ship

 

Well right off it was very hard, but after Endor as it was said they captured atleast two that I know of, the two that bought it in DE I and II. Afterward when the rebellion became the New Republic they built some of their own. (As seen in SbS: the New Republic Star Destroyers Mon Mothma and Elegos A'kla)

 

But the stoormtrooper in the EU were less loyal.

 

Well, one can expect that many ISD commanders may have surrendered their ships to the NR in case they were outnumbered, they simply trade there weasely lives for a their ship, which if unnsurrendered would be destroyed on spot with everyone aboard. The NR force gives the crew time to escape, then they do a sensor scan to see who's left, then Bang they have a new ISD.

One thing everyone has failed to notice, is that the NR went after and captured many poorly guarded Imperial shipyards, I'm guessing over 80% of the NR's fancy ISDs came situations such as these.

 

If the Rebels captured an ISD, wouldn't they be able to make plans and thereby start producing their own ISD's?

It's the only explanation for their abundance. In the NJO the NR have more Star Destroyers than Mon Cal Star Cruisers, which I find absurd.

 

Not absurd at all. Star Destroyers are far more superior ships in firepower. Their sheer size is enough to strike fear into the hearts of their opponents. When's the last time you read about an MC-80a take on an Imperial Star destroyer mk. II with no assistance?

 

Maybe you should take into account the price of building an ISD,W_K.Mon Cal ships are cheaper to produce.

 

Star Destroyers can eat Mon Cal MC80's for lunch without an escort. The sheer number of turbolasers and ion cannons could implode the sheilds of a MC80 in a few barrages if they all struck home. Ever play any of the X-Wing games? Mon Cals get pasted without fighter support in a slugfest.

That's not mentioning the new kinds of Star Destroyers in service by the time of the NJO.

 

Some commanders probably sold their Star Destroyers for money.

 

Anyone remember Sair Yonka?

If I was going to hijack an SD that's what I'd do. Just switch sides in a battle that your C.O. are counting on you to win.

 

How many shipyards has KDY? Or how many shipsyards have already built ISDs?

Kuat,
Fondor,
Gyndine,
Bilbringi,
Yaga Minor,
ORD Trasi,
...

On how many planets have the MonCalamari shipyards?

Mon Cal and ...?

 

Lots of SD captains probably gave up. Plus, you could dump the stormies on a routine garrison assignment, then get the hell outta dodge.

 

You are forgetting rule number 1 as a grunt:

Mine is not to wonder why, but to do or die... I think I got that quote right...

True they are loyal, but loyal to who? All great military people are loyal to their superiors. If the commander wants to surrender, they surrender. To do anything else is to mutiny. Now, the question is, who are the stormtroopers loyal to? Logic states that if they attended the Imperial Academy, their officers would emphisize the need to follow orders without questioning. If instead, they were brainwashed by the Emperor himself, they would never concede, but I doubt any commander would let them in a position to undermine them if the situation arose.

 

sorry Possessed-Freak good soldiers are loyal to their cause/country. Good leaders are loyal to there troops. not the other way around. At true soldier soes not turn agaist his country, he swore loyalty to. Thats a trator.

 

Actually, the NR had few SDs before the Cloned Emperor's return. Most SDs were destroyed or captured when the NR and fought the Imperials for Zsinj's remnants. The rest were put in for refits (ex: Sluis Van) afterwards. The newer SDs captured are from the Imperial's implosion after the Cloned Emperor's death. Ex-Imperials who are now loosely aligned with warlords or became pirates were easy to pick off. And alot of the NR's own star destroyers are the Repbulic and Nebula classes used from the BFC to the NJO eras. The remaining ISD2s were sent for mid rim patrol, though a some were built during the NJO era because Kuat, well, could. I was under the impression that Mon Mothma and Elego A'kla were totally new classes of SDs.

I got most of that info from Essential Chronology, and came to a few logical conclusions after reading I, Jedi and Darksaber.

 

Mon Mothma and Elego A'kla were totally new classes of SDs.

Yes, I had thought they had been labeled Republic-class (Probably renamed ImpStarDeuces, actually).

Seems to me that unless KDY went out of business, they should have been churning out ships for the New Republic (and under new management).

 

The NR has 3 known classes of homebuilt SDs.

Republic (Rendili StarDrive)
Nebula (Republic Engineering)
Defender (Republic Engineering)

The Mon Mothma is probably a modified Defender-class (first Defender was the Obi-Wan, name conventions are the same). There is some confusion on the Defender and Nebula designs as to which is which. In addition, the NR has plenty of ISDs.

Remember, after the defeat of the Emperor, ImpStars frequently went with a reduced complement of support personnel. The Thrawn Trilogy sourcebook says that except for the Chimaera, almost all of the SD's in Thrawn's fleet had their fighter complement cut in half. The stormtroopers were probably reassigned to front-line duty to stem the NR ground offensives and popular uprisings.

 

"Seems to me that unless KDY went out of business, they should have been churning out ships for the New Republic (and under new management). "

They actually still produce ships for the Empire. They are very pro Empire still according to WotC's new starship guide.

 

Remember all it took for an ISD to surrender was a Empress-class Space Station with an interdiction field and a group of blundering A-wings who got yanked out of hyperspace. All without firing a shot.

 

How'd they capture em? Easy. They just said, "Here Star Destroyer, nice Star Destroyer. I gotta a treat for you."