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CT How did Vader knew that Luke is his son?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by TheRevanchist, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. windu4

    windu4 Jedi Master star 4

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    I believe that Vader might not have noticed that Leia was his daughter because she isn't "like him". She's more like her mother and I imagine that Vader repressed his memories of her quite a bit. As far as Luke Skywalker is concerned he has his piloting skills in common with Vader and is clearly "strong in the Force" despite his brief training. I can imagine that someone who blew up a Death Star would catch his attention. Besides the Force/deus ex machina can obviously detect things like that. He figures out that Luke has a sister easily enough, right?
     
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  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    In the RoTJ book, it's because Leia got shot at that moment, Luke can feel her pain, Vader can feel Luke's reaction- and he puts two and two together.
     
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  3. Frankakin skywalker

    Frankakin skywalker Jedi Knight star 1

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    Good Question.
     
  4. janstett

    janstett Jedi Master star 3

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    Vader already knew, he was lying to the Emperor.

    When they find Hoth, he says "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." The title crawl also says "The evil lord Darth Vader,
    obsessed with finding young
    Skywalker,"... Vader knows exactly who Luke is at the beginning of the movie.
     
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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    He knows the name "Skywalker" but he doesn't know the precise nature of Skywalker's relation to him.

    While the "How is this possible?!" reaction could be taken as fake- The Rise And Fall of Darth Vader treats it as real.
     
  6. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Expanded Universe details can be retconned if they contradict the star wars films!!!
     
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    And this one doesn't contradict the film.
     
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  8. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes it does!!!

     
  9. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    The EU detail is that Vader doesn't know for certain he has a son until the Emperor tells him- in the movie. He knows the boy's name is Skywalker, he suspects some kind of connection- but since Padme died in childbirth he assumes the child died with her.
     
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  10. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Just because their birth mother/their biological mother dies, that doesn't mean that the baby/the fetus/the embryo dies with it too. It depends on how far developed the fetus is!!!

    And, also, Skywalker is not a common name such as Smith in the Star Wars Galaxy!!!
     
  11. Admiral Volshe

    Admiral Volshe Force Ghost star 10

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    He assumed they were dead.

    When he felt Luke's presence, he realised that might not be true.

    When hearing the news from the Emperor, it concreted the idea that Luke indeed was his son, and he indeed had felt Luke's presence.
     
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  12. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    But, well, then, how would the Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious know more behind-the-scenes top-secret information than Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader???
     
  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Better ability to sense & forsee events maybe.
     
  14. Darthbane2007

    Darthbane2007 Jedi Master star 4

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    I want to know how he figured out Luke was his son?
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    How the Emperor did? Possibly through the Force, possibly he investigated Polis Massa and discovered the secret records showing Padme gave birth before she died- who knows?
     
  16. Ambervikings91

    Ambervikings91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    very well said
     
  17. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Y'all are making it way harder than it should be to figure this out. A pilot strong in the force named Skywalker, who happened to have been traveling with Kenobi before the death star attack. Not hard to connect the dots.
     
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  18. thesevegetables

    thesevegetables Jedi Knight star 4

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    He searched his feelings, and knew it to be true.
     
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  19. janstett

    janstett Jedi Master star 3

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    It's also worth looking at the original dialogue from pre-SE days:


    Emperor: There is a great disturbance in the force.
    Vader: I have felt it
    Emperor: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
    Vader: Yes, my master. (Note: complete lack of surprise or indignation, this is not news. If his reaction to this news is to describe him as only a boy, then Vader obviously already knows about him.)
    Emperor: He could destroy us.
    Vader: He's just a boy (how does he know this if the Emperor is springing this on him as a surprise?) Obi-wan can no longer help him.
    Emperor: The force is strong with him. The Son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
    Vader: If he could be turned, he could become a powerful ally.
    Emperor: Yes... Yes... He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
    Vader: He will join us or die, master.

    "How is that possible?" only came in 2004 -- after other revisions with Ian preceeded it. Ian's first remake repeated the original dialogue.
     
  20. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." = Palpy confirming their suspicions. So Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has a gut feeling, combined with various bits of info about the aforementioned young rebel. Then his master tells him to search his feelings. That is all the confirmation they need. I highly doubt Vader finds out all at once in that one scene, DVD retcon or not.
     
  21. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Vader knew it before then.
     
  22. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    In the books (specifically, The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader), he doesn't know- but he suspects there is some kind of connection between them- we see him finding out the various details. It's not till the ESB movie that he knows the precise nature of the connection though.
     
  23. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Haven't read it, but I've going off of other EU sources where a rebel officer told him before Vader killed him
     
  24. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Told him that the person who destroyed the Death Star was one Luke Skywalker- not that Luke was "the son of Anakin".
     
  25. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Yeah but since force sensitivity is rare and the guy in question was a Skywalker, its pretty obvious.