CT How did Vader knew that Luke is his son?

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  1. windu4 Force Ghost

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    I believe that Vader might not have noticed that Leia was his daughter because she isn't "like him". She's more like her mother and I imagine that Vader repressed his memories of her quite a bit. As far as Luke Skywalker is concerned he has his piloting skills in common with Vader and is clearly "strong in the Force" despite his brief training. I can imagine that someone who blew up a Death Star would catch his attention. Besides the Force/deus ex machina can obviously detect things like that. He figures out that Luke has a sister easily enough, right?
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  2. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    In the RoTJ book, it's because Leia got shot at that moment, Luke can feel her pain, Vader can feel Luke's reaction- and he puts two and two together.
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  3. Frankakin skywalker Jedi Master

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    Good Question.
  4. janstett Force Ghost

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    Vader already knew, he was lying to the Emperor.

    When they find Hoth, he says "The rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." The title crawl also says "The evil lord Darth Vader,
    obsessed with finding young
    Skywalker,"... Vader knows exactly who Luke is at the beginning of the movie.
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  5. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    He knows the name "Skywalker" but he doesn't know the precise nature of Skywalker's relation to him.

    While the "How is this possible?!" reaction could be taken as fake- The Rise And Fall of Darth Vader treats it as real.
  6. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Expanded Universe details can be retconned if they contradict the star wars films!!!
  7. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    And this one doesn't contradict the film.
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  8. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Yes it does!!!

  9. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The EU detail is that Vader doesn't know for certain he has a son until the Emperor tells him- in the movie. He knows the boy's name is Skywalker, he suspects some kind of connection- but since Padme died in childbirth he assumes the child died with her.
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  10. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    Just because their birth mother/their biological mother dies, that doesn't mean that the baby/the fetus/the embryo dies with it too. It depends on how far developed the fetus is!!!

    And, also, Skywalker is not a common name such as Smith in the Star Wars Galaxy!!!
  11. Admiral Volshe Chosen One

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    He assumed they were dead.

    When he felt Luke's presence, he realised that might not be true.

    When hearing the news from the Emperor, it concreted the idea that Luke indeed was his son, and he indeed had felt Luke's presence.
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  12. Lord Tyrannus Jedi Master

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    But, well, then, how would the Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious know more behind-the-scenes top-secret information than Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader???
  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Better ability to sense & forsee events maybe.
  14. Darthbane2007 Force Ghost

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    I want to know how he figured out Luke was his son?
  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    How the Emperor did? Possibly through the Force, possibly he investigated Polis Massa and discovered the secret records showing Padme gave birth before she died- who knows?
  16. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    very well said
  17. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Y'all are making it way harder than it should be to figure this out. A pilot strong in the force named Skywalker, who happened to have been traveling with Kenobi before the death star attack. Not hard to connect the dots.
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  18. thesevegetables Jedi Grand Master

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    He searched his feelings, and knew it to be true.
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  19. janstett Force Ghost

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    It's also worth looking at the original dialogue from pre-SE days:


    Emperor: There is a great disturbance in the force.
    Vader: I have felt it
    Emperor: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
    Vader: Yes, my master. (Note: complete lack of surprise or indignation, this is not news. If his reaction to this news is to describe him as only a boy, then Vader obviously already knows about him.)
    Emperor: He could destroy us.
    Vader: He's just a boy (how does he know this if the Emperor is springing this on him as a surprise?) Obi-wan can no longer help him.
    Emperor: The force is strong with him. The Son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.
    Vader: If he could be turned, he could become a powerful ally.
    Emperor: Yes... Yes... He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
    Vader: He will join us or die, master.

    "How is that possible?" only came in 2004 -- after other revisions with Ian preceeded it. Ian's first remake repeated the original dialogue.
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  20. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    "The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." = Palpy confirming their suspicions. So Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker, has a gut feeling, combined with various bits of info about the aforementioned young rebel. Then his master tells him to search his feelings. That is all the confirmation they need. I highly doubt Vader finds out all at once in that one scene, DVD retcon or not.
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  21. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Vader knew it before then.
  22. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    In the books (specifically, The Rise & Fall of Darth Vader), he doesn't know- but he suspects there is some kind of connection between them- we see him finding out the various details. It's not till the ESB movie that he knows the precise nature of the connection though.
  23. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Haven't read it, but I've going off of other EU sources where a rebel officer told him before Vader killed him
  24. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Told him that the person who destroyed the Death Star was one Luke Skywalker- not that Luke was "the son of Anakin".
  25. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    Yeah but since force sensitivity is rare and the guy in question was a Skywalker, its pretty obvious.
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