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PT How Does One leave the Jedi Order?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by MrCody, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    We're all talking about fictional characters.

    Is this yet another "I have Lucas quotes" pissing contest, or does anyone want to have a discussion in which several different opinions and ideas are shared?
     
  2. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd Saga / WNU Manager - Knights of LAJ star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Mod Note: Stay on topic or this thread will be locked.
     
  3. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  4. Jedi Kao Cen Darach

    Jedi Kao Cen Darach Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Just like Ahsoka Tano. Do something wrong or make it look like that, then get expelled. It's like school!
     
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  5. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    Saying the Jedi made mistakes that contributed to their downfall is not quite the same thing as "blaming" them for being genocided. I like to think I'm one of the more pro-Jedi people around these parts, but even I recognize that.
     
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  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't see much difference, especially when the focus of so many discussions becomes "how the Jedi contributed to their downfall."

    When we talk about Obi-Wan's death in the OT, is the focus of the discussion, "Damn, that old dude should have known better than to pick a fight with Vader. He contributed to his own demise"?

    More on topic...why have Jedi other than Ahsoka been expelled from the Order? Her situation is unique in that she needed to stand trial for the Republic and could not do so as a practicing Jedi. Then there was Anakin being threatened with expulsion if he went after Padme. Do we have any other examples?
     
  7. skygawker

    skygawker Jedi Knight star 3

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    I think that the Jedi were definitely set in their ways and could have done with changing a little to adapt with the galaxy...but those ways had worked for them long enough that their actions made sense, and even if they had done stuff differently, Palpatine would have found a way to destroy them. So, yeah, definitely not their fault that they were all murdered. I mean, not that it's ever really someone's fault that someone else kills them, but you know what I mean.

    I think it would be pretty rare for a Jedi to be expelled outright from the Order. More likely would be that the Jedi being scrutinized - whether due to personal issues with the Code (e.g. if Anakin's relationship with Padme had ever been found out) or because they did something generally disobedient/flagrantly unJedilike - would be given the ultimatum of either choosing to leave or being forced to toe the line. I would guess more Jedi resigned the Order than were expelled, and even that didn't happen very often since for all but Anakin it was a way of life they'd been raised with for basically as long as they could remember.
     
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  8. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    they simply give in their resignation form :p
     
  9. skygawker

    skygawker Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yeah, I doubt the actual, literal "how" is very interesting. They tell the Council that they're leaving, and they go.
     
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  10. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    interesting to me :p


    I wonder if there is a notice period :p
     
  11. darth-sinister

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  12. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    In this particular case, it is, since the reason for their downfall was because they were genocided.
     
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  13. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Perceptions, not fact. I think Jedi simply have to decide if they believe what the Order teaches. If the teachers are found in error a pupil merely has to decide to depart.
     
  14. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Force Ghost star 5

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    If I'm on a catwalk at the factory where I work, and I slip and fall because I wasn't paying close enough attention, then I think it's fair to say that I made a mistake. Even if the blame rests on the owner of the factory for not following OSHA guidelines, there were still actions I could have taken that would have prevented what happened to me. That's all that's being said--a simple statement of fact. No one's saying it's the Jedi's fault for getting killed. That's all on Palpatine. But I'm sure, if you asked Yoda if he wished he'd made different choices, he'd say yes.
     
  15. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    And what would those be?
     
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  16. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'd be curious if there's some type of arbitration for jedi who leave the order or are kicked out?

    Has the EU ever discussed this at all?
     
  17. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Nope. The old EU, as far as I know, never really talked about how it went when the Lost Twenty left. The most it was implied was that Dooku told the Council of his intentions and after some discussion, accepted his resignation. I don't think the Jedi hold court and say, "No you can't leave."
     
  18. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    But what about kicking someone out?
     
  19. darth-sinister

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  20. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Thanks.
     
  21. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    Just slip out the back, Jak.
     
  22. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    With peace and humility.
     
  23. I Are The Internets

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    They throw a coolio pizza party.
     
  24. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Obviously not. A Jedi is a position like any other, that one has to hold through choice. If you chose to leave a job as a governor, police officer or president, your contemporaries would have to accept your decision. I think the main point/idea writers try to get across with the "Lost Twenty" is that virtually everyone who has ever decided, trained and been accepted into the Order had found meaning and purpose and out of those thousands only twenty (so like 0.1%) had ever chosen to leave.
     
  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Yup - the Masters at least:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Twenty