Discussion How good will Ep. VII be?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Julius Vernon, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. Julius Vernon Jedi Grand Master

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    I for one have extremely high hopes. I will go in as much as possible (like @Jedi Merkurian) with an open mind, though I'm admittedly biased and my expectations are very high.

    Here's what I'm expecting for my SW rankings to be after this film:

    Ep. V
    Ep. IV
    Ep. VII
    Ep. III
    Ep. VI
    Ep. I
    Ep. II

    I'm expecting something better than the Avengers, Star Trek, Matrix, the Batman films, etc.
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  2. Lord Tuvitor Force Ghost

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    I expect a fun movie with explosions, X-Wings, TIE Fighters, lightsaber duels, the Millennium Falcon, and a continuation of the good versus evil theme of the Saga so far.

    I'm not expecting Oscars here. Hell, I'm not even expecting a cringe-free movie here... I still fear the mistakes they will make 'for the kids'.

    For me, I'm hoping for an 8/10 at least (on par with ROTJ on my scale) but for all I know the story may involve Gungan padawans, Ewok supercommandos, and more trade disputes.
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  3. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    Impossible to know. One of the sad things about Phantom Menace was that word got out early about just how bad it was going to be:

    - The fears over Jar Jar started with the trailers and "Youza sayin people gonna die?"

    -The published script came out before the movie and then people who knew anything about anything could tell that the story was a disaster.

    -Finally, Lucas with his immense generosity did an advanced charity screening so that word about how awful the movie was escaped into the internet ahead of opening day.

    Those were mistakes he didn't repeat with AOTC, which was even worse.

    I thought Hobbit was bulletproof. How could Jackson possibly screw that up? Anything's possible. You never can tell.

    The only thing it almost certainly won't be is a cinematic masterpiece. Lightning really doesn't ever strike twice in the same spot.
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  4. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I am hoping it will be better than the PT, but I don't see it being better than the OT
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  5. Jedi Dragon D Jedi Grand Master

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    If I know, I could be a billionaire right now betting my life on it!
  6. BizAOK Force Ghost

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    Wow, I think you're on crack! We know nothing about the bad guys - you know, the whole conflict, the reason the events in the universe are worth chronicling for three films in the first place - and you are already deciding the movie will be better than some of the best action/adventure/popcorn films of the last decade & a half?

    Of all its sins, I think perhaps the greatest of The Phantom Menace is just right there in the name - the evil was lurking from far away. So rather than an up-close-and-personal confrontation, we had heroes battling worthless battle droids. I wouldn't trust those things to process my fast food order, let alone destroy my enemy. Yet there they were, just waiting to be whacked again and again for 130 minutes. And our opinion of the film's heroes was lessened from start to finish right along with them, too.

    My point? If the foil of our heroes in Ep7 is just as ridiculously un-scary as we saw in Ep1, I see no reason for optimism.
    Its just too soon to know what we're getting, like Jabbadabbado said.
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  7. Rox Administrator Emeritus

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    As long as it's not on par with Episode I then I will be happy. I'm not gonna go into this with super high hopes but with the people involved have good credentials and that is a very good start.
  8. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    And maybe it happened that way because budget and technology were allowed to drive the story. Lucas was cheap with his own effects budget. An army of identical droids vs. an army of identical storm troopers made the whole prequel project easier to animate and viable for incorporating more all-CGI shots on a reasonable budget.
  9. Darth EL Pollo Loco Jedi Master

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  10. A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Riot Deterrent

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    From all of the footage they've released so far, I am starting to think the finished product will be very well handled...
  11. Julius Vernon Jedi Grand Master

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    No need for personal insults.

    We do know some important information:
    • Lucas wrote the story (that's his strength).
    • Arndt is a grade A screenwriter.
    • Disney invested over $4B in this thing and they have to get Ep. VII right to net a return.
    • Abrams is a solid director with a background in imitating previous direction and success in re-energizing a franchise.
    I for one will be disappointed if it doesn't surpass most sci-fi and comic book films (Avengers included). Of course it's too early to tell how good it is going to be that's why I'm asking about expectations.
  12. Zer0 Jedi Grand Master

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    In between the PT and the OT in quality.

    So pretty damn glorious.
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  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Actually this is an urban myth- it happens. Though it helps if the spot is a lightning rod :p
  14. Julius Vernon Jedi Grand Master

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    You are probably right. But look at Ep. V and Ep. IV. Look at Godfather II and Godfather I. It can happen.

    With that said, I don't expect Lawrence of Arabia here, but I do think it can be amazing and one of the best sequels ever made.
  15. Frank T. Force Ghost

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    I think it will be about as good as Star Trek Into Darkness
  16. Echo-07 Force Ghost

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    Right now I give the whole team of LFL/Disney a whopping A+ on everything they've done thus far.

    - Arndt is a "small writer" in that he hasn't written alot of HUGE genre stories. He has written great character driven stories.
    - Lawrence Kasdan co-wrote the BEST SW Episode IMO TESB. He worked on Jedi as well and brings alot of SW experience. However I still can't believe he is only a "consultant" while we have George and Simon Kinberg. I believe the other K & K are working episodes 8 & 9 as we speak.
    - And of course JJ Abrams. IF JJ only kicks off the new era it is still a great choice. He is a HUGE fan and will work extra-hard to make sure it is "right." I just can't give enough credit to Kathleen for these moves.

    Now, barring a "reboot" with a whole new group of actors for the BIG 3 roles, I expect this:

  17. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    Odds are it will be on pair with Episode VI is my guess.
  18. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    I've always thought that Episode VII should be about the Endor Apocalypse, a doomsday adventure in which a misfit band of battle-worn ewoks fight for survival as chunks of the Death Star II rain down on them, and the ensuing firestorm turns their forest world to ash.
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  19. ezekiel22x Force Ghost

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    Better than Sucker Punch, not as good as Cloud Atlas.
  20. BizAOK Force Ghost

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    C'mon, buddy. There wasn't one thing personally insulting in what I said.

    I feel like I've just been Brent Musburger'd !
  21. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    "Wow, I think you're on crack!"

    Not the most diplomatic of phrasing.
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  22. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    Personally, I'm very optimistic. I think hiring Michael Arndt was absolutely brilliant and of course having George Lucas as a consultant and writing the treatments is great because it means it is still his story. Bringing in Lawrence Kasdan to help with the script is another bridge to the past films which I think can only strengthen Arndt's work. While J.J. wasn't my first choice I can't help but get excited when I hear KK talking about how she convinced him and I'm becoming more confident that he was the right choice. Even KK and Abrams comments that they may delay the 2015 release date if necessary (as much as that would suck) shows me that they are fully committed to making the best movie they can and a truly great part of the overall saga. Yes, I am very optimistic that it will be great!
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  23. BizAOK Force Ghost

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    Clearly you could tell that was chummy, friendly banter, right? I do not actually believe he is on crack. Just having some inclusive fun with a fellow eager fan while we await (actual) movie news.

    Man, when did this board turn into Germany?
  24. Darth_Articulate Force Ghost

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    Ja, Star Wars Sieben groƟ sein!
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  25. MakingStarWars Force Ghost

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    I'm not going to tell you how good Episode VII will be. I don't have to.
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