ST How in anyway can ep7 live up to the hype?

Not for me or a whole generation of people.

You know the ones that will love all the movies while all those others are left behind?

These are likely the same ones who will turn sooner or later on these new films.

Probably sooner.

 

They get as old as negative quips about the PT do.

 

Good films come and go. When Robin & Batman was released, I guess most people thought it was the end of good Batman movies. And then we got The Dark Knight.....

I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

As was discussed after the quoted post, banning for the occasional lens flare joke would be excessive. The problem comes when a whole bunch of people are posting them one after another, and we did have to give some people vacations before for that because it totally derailed conversations (and people disregarded warnings). In that sense, it's similar to PT vs. OT fights or canon fights; those aren't allowed mostly because of how heated they can get and how much they can derail a thread.

 

Ha, I was just joking anyway.

Although they are super annoying, I still believe in people's right to misuse tiresome jokes.

 

I think one of the things to keep in mind is that leading up to the PT everyone knew the broad strokes of that trilogy: Anakin meets Obi-Wan, Anakin gets married, Anakin becomes Darth Vader, the Republic turns into the Empire. Therefore, many fans had preconceived notions of how those narrative beats would play out (For instance, I had thought that Anakin's wedding was going to be a huge public event interrupted by a Mandalorian takeover leading into a huge battle with Jedi that would ignite the Clone Wars). Alas, the actual result of what we got in the prequels differed mightily from fans' expectations.

The excitement about Episode VII is that we truly have no idea what kind of narrative we have in store for us, arguably for the first time since ESB (since we knew that at the very least ROTJ would feature a confrontation between Luke and Vader).

To not know anything except for these minor tidbits leaking out here and there is wildly exciting.

 

Yah, pretty much this

 

And of course besides the broadest of broad strokes they were all wrong. Actually more than that because Obi-Wan didn't discover Anakin and bring him into the Jedi Order.

Of course it did. It couldn't be personalized to millions of people.

Before VII comes out we are going to get to know various broadstrokes of this film. I think we are already starting to. Look at the reaction when people thought that maybe Luke is missing for 30 years.

Once VII comes out though it will all be over as we'll know the broadstrokes of this trilogy. In fact it'll be mostly over soon after the movie begins because by 30 minutes in we'll have a good idea of the shape of the picture.

 

I'm much more concerned with how the ST will be received a decade or more after VII is first released, long after the hype and emotions have settled. I want these movies to be good enough for a theatrical re-release to a new generation of fans in 2035.

 

You know, I think people overestimate the difficulty of making a good movie. If you know what makes a good story, it's actually pretty easy. The biggest difficulty is whether or not the people in charge care about story and character, and not simply jamming a bunch of shallow but flashy visuals on screen to make some easy profit.

I believe Disney in general, as we see with Marvel, and KK and the others involved with the Story Group at LFL, care deeply about story and character and will therefore most likely tell a good one.

 

It can...
...since the PT really lowered most peoples expectations about newer Star Wars films
...since the Clone Wars TV series shows that in the right hands decent stories can be told on screen
...OT actors simply need to look the part and act the part without coming across as phoning-it-in or hamming it up
...the lived-in look-and-feel and attention to detail on set will trigger nostalgia in any as it did for Kevin Smith
...likewise with the old cast simply being back
...if it answers questions fans have had for a long time about the SW universe (e.g. origins of the Jedi, Sith, etc)
...if it doesn't involve anything like a Death Star
...if it doesn't make the OT seem dated (bring back the 1970's haircuts and british accents, etc)
etc.

There is strong potential here and I think as long it has a strong story, and they tell it properly

 

I'll do what I can to not buy into the hype as much as possible by not letting my expectations run wild.

 

If these movies can top the PT movies I'll be happy, that's my minimum requirement but the ST has the potential to be the best directed, written and acting-wise of all SW trilogies.

 

Of course they did. Nothing could ever reach those insane heights that were expected. Now they know not to be crazy. Some still will be though.

George's hands.

That's an odd comment. Why would they?

He would have been the same if he was on the PT sets.

There will be plenty of old jokes.

George's story.

If it does it does.

It is dated.

I don't know what "properly" means to you. It's not going to be the exact way you want it if that's what you mean.

 

I feel like Hamill & Ford are the keys to success for this film.

Many people want to know if Hamill can still play Luke (of course he can, he's gonna knock it outta the park!), but most people might be skeptical of his abilities, but I am not 1 of them

And Harrison Ford, who is considered 1 of the greats of all-time, he has to give a stellar performance. If Harrison phones it in, it will show, and it won't be good for the rest of the cast. I really hope Harrison is on his A game.

 

Harrison phoning it in?

 

I enjoyed Harrison's performance in Ender's Game, sure not his best but still good.

 

Yes, inevitably we will have an idea of the broad outline of things for Episode VII as well as the rest of the ST, but even now we have no concrete foundations, whereas the key turning points of the PT were known over a decade before the release of TPM. Therefore, we have less time to freely conjecture around known narrative elements on the ST than we did for the PT.

Also the key things we knew about the PT before Lucas had even put pen to paper weren't mere expositional elements. Those events are key turning points to the PT.

 

EP7 won't quite live up to the Hype but will be reviewed quite well & will have a lot of love & some hate......the lovers will say it's on par with the OT & Star Wars is redeemed the haters will say it's worse the PT & Star Wars is dead forever R.I.P ............

 

There will be some that will nitpick and hate it...be rest assured. They will find one thing wrong and try to unravel the whole movie with it, and they'll later try to convince everybody else that the film is bad, too. The internet is rife with it.

 

You are absolutely correct about that haha it's like people go to movies to find the flaws in them I just hope with the ST all the "real fans" don't make people who enjoy the films feel guilty and stupid like they did with the PT

 

I was born in 1981 and I grew up with the OT but in my late teens and 20's I got the privelage of enjoying the Prequels and I love the Prequels and the clone wars so i am sure I will love the Sequel Trilogy, The star wars spinoff's, And the star wars rebels ....

 

I loved the pt not as much as the ot but It's still SW I never understood the deep hate for it haha I guess my question is can these new movies please the fan boys? If that's possible

 

I dont care who it pleases as long as I enjoy them. and I hope you dont take that as an insult Or for being rude i am just being honest. if i have offended anyone i am trully sorry.....

I liked the OT Better as well but you are right the PT it is still Star Wars !!!

 

The darker tone of episodes 2 and 3 wasn't the result of pandering to fans, it was the nature of the story, and it was planned from the get-go. Before TPM was even released, George was interviewed by Premiere Magazine. Here's an excerpt:

Premiere: And the next episodes in the prequel series will be darker than Episode 1?

Lucas: By their very nature. The next one isn't so bad. The third one's pretty bad.

Premiere: That's when Anakin goes to the darkside and becomes Darth Vader?

Lucas: Yes. Episode III will probably make half of whatever the others make. But it's the story, and I'm really more interested in the six-part whole, than in whether one tops the previous one.


I think it's kind of interesting that Lucas assumes the darkest one would actually earn LESS than the other ones. It kind of makes me think he's a bit out of touch with audiences. Not so much that "Darker = Better," but surely he must have realized that people wanted to see Anakin become Vader. I mean, wasn't that kind of one of the main selling points of the prequels all along?