How long are SSDs in width?

This is not my opinion at all. Go look at the movie. It is 11X the size of an ISD. You cannot dispute that.

The movie proves that 12.8 is incorrect. Why can't you understand that?

 

"The latest measurement is about 12.8km" proves that the latest measurement is about 12.8km.

Your opinion is incorrect. Why can't you understand that?

 

I have never stated my opinion on this subject, so it obviously cannot be incorrect.

The fact of the matter is, the Executor is 11X the size of an ISD. This is not opinion; this is just how it appears on screen. You cannot dispute that it is 11X the size of an ISD. Get it? You cannot dispute it. The facts are clearly laid out for you. They exist. They are there.

So, unless you are saying that an ISD is 1.16 km long, the Executor cannot be 12.8 km long!

 

It is not a fact. It is not the way they are.

The fact is that's the way you perceive it to be. However, your perceptions are meaningless.

That is not official. Nor does it have anything to do with a discussion on what SSD's officially are.

This is a fact, however: Officially, the latest measurement is about 12.8km. That is the only fact which matters when discussing the latest measurement of the SSD.

 

This isn't about perceptions at all. Watch the movie.

Does the movie say it's 8X an ISD? No, it says it's 11X. It is impossible to see the Executor as anything but 11X an ISD, because that is how it is shown in the movies.

Get that through your thick skull.

 

I want you to post proof that the Executor, as seen in the movies, is not, in fact, 11X the size of an ISD. Unless you can do that, you are wrong.

I await your proof.

 

The only way my 'perception'can be wrong is if I am underestimating the Executor's length. We don't know how far away it is from the ISDs in the ESB fleet rendezvous, so it could be 300X for all we know. But as just a straight measurement, it cannot be less than 11X an ISD.

 

OK Genghis, let's try this:

If the Executor is 12.8 km long, as you say it is, then why isn't it 8 times the size of an ISD in the movies?

The answer is, it isn't. Unless you have a screenshot from the movies that shows that it is 8 times the size of an ISD, you are wrong.

And don't give me any of this 'it's only your preception' crap. There is no other way to perceive the Executor's size in the movies than 11X.

 

Nope, Bib. It's about time to put the stake through the dark, bloodsucking heart of this beast. At even the most general, half-assed cursory inspection I can easily find scenes where the ratios can be 10x or less all the way through 25x or more the length of an ISD. This alone proves that this method is not credible. This alone proves that your methodology is flawed. And certainly there are scenes where the relationships are less than 11x. Therefore, you are wrong.

Even fan-fic writers of the Star Wars Technical Commentaries do not agree with you about the 11x measurement. And as anyone who has visited their site can attest, they have, at least done their homework on the subject.

I suppose according to you, you're going to make the argument that ships in the Star Wars universe are transmformers - able to change length based on whatever length they want to be for the scene because SSD relationships as high as 25x can be seen in the films.

The only thing you can use the movies for is to show that they used model ships of a known length to portray fictional ships of an also known, but different length.

That known length of the fictional ships is about 12.8km according to the latest measurements.

 

Nope, Bib. It's about time to put the stake through the dark, bloodsucking heart of this beast. At even the most general, half-assed cursory inspection I can easily find scenes where the ratios can be 10x or less all the way through 25x or more the length of an ISD.

Um, there is no scene where the Executor is more than 11X the size of an ISD. That means it is the minimum size of the Executor.

This alone proves that this method is not credible. This alone proves that your methodology is flawed. And certainly there are scenes where the relationships are less than 11x. Therefore, you are wrong.

Incorrect.

Even fan-fic writers of the Star Wars Technical Commentaries do not agree with you about the 11x measurement.

Um, sure they do.

I suppose according to you, you're going to make the argument that ships in the Star Wars universe are transmformers - able to change length based on whatever length they want to be for the scene because SSD relationships as high as 25x can be seen in the films.

PPOR

The only thing you can use the movies for is to show that they used model ships of a known length to portray fictional ships of an also known, but different length.


Incorrect.

That known length of the fictional ships is about 12.8km according to the latest measurements.

The latest measurements are wrong, as I have proven numerous times.

 

"The Executor : A Rap Song"

I was browsin' the JC one day, lookin' for a thread
When this one on Super Star Destroyers slapped me 'cross the head
Inside I saw the fightin', the shouting of the words
If they could throw something, I'm sure it would be turds

Bib Fortuna the Twi'lek says they're 17 in length
Clearly the movies show this, but it's not put down in ink
Valiento over here says Starships is right
"If you don't believe me, you're lookin' for a fight"

In walks Genghis, with his mathematical mind
"Put away that dictionary Val, it should be a crime.
Take a look at TOS, it is never wrong
If you think otherwise, let me try that bong..."

( chorus )
Executor...Executor...
E-X-E-C-U-T-O-R
That's all Lit debates are for!

Val gets angry, all steamy inside
"You're using fallacious reasoning and equivocation to hide"
Genghis just nods, with a good reply in mind
"You can't ignore TOS, now kiss my behind"

Bib says "Look, the movies are right
Vader's SSD is a mighty big sight"
Genghis just laughs, wondering how this could be
"Obviously TOS is agreeing with me"

( chorus )
Executor...Executor...
E-X-E-C-U-T-O-R
That's all Lit debates are for!

Finally a shadow falls across the boards
TIEs fills the air in massing hoardes
They look up from the fightin', obliged to see
Vader's massive ship, a big SSD

Darth is on the bridge, lookin' on the fight
With his raspy breath, he's quite a scary sight
"You fools, you idiots, don't you see?
Lucasfilm gave measurments out with glee."

"All of them are wrong, all of them are right
What matters is the story, and to see a good fight
Now let me test these turbolasers, they really should be used"
And as they blew into atoms, they all felt quite abused

( chorus )
Executor...Executor...
E-X-E-C-U-T-O-R
That's all Lit debates are for!

 

I'll take it as a good sign that there were no lyrics about me in that merry tune...

 

LOL! Oh man, I would pay *big* money to get that recorded. LOL.

TC

 

Do you all realize that, if we boiled this "discussion" down to it's essential form, it would be something like this:

Genghis: It is not

Bib: It is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

G: Is not.

B: Is too.

And so on and so on and so on and so on and doo bee boo bee doo bee...

TC

 

Exactly. We've all gone too far at one time or another, and this would be one of them.

 

True. So, can I dump a bucket of water on them, or what?

TC

 

So, is it Ex-ZEC-u-TOR ot Ex-E-cuter?


I think the word we can all take home from this thread is REDUNDANT!

 

The first one. Its Ig-ZEK-yoo-tur as in executive, not EKS-e-kyoo-tur as in execute.

 

I can't believe this debate is still going on! It's like watching a tennis match between Genghis and Bib. Good debate! Please continue.

 

The first one. Its Ig-ZEK-yoo-tur as in executive, not EKS-e-kyoo-tur as in execute.

I wish there was an emoticon or something you could attach to a message to let people know that it's a joke. C'mon RR, I was kidding- I know how it's pronounced.

 

"I wish there was an emoticon or something you could attach to a message to let people know that it's a joke. C'mon RR, I was kidding- I know how it's pronounced."

There is... look under faces, , (example: , ).

 

Actually, I was thinking more of a 640 x 480 rotating neon sign with fireworks and music.

 

Why not?

 

"Arise from your grave..."

 

"Why can't you just be a good boy and die?"

-Trevelyan, Goldeneye