how long are the SSD's in length.

That that statement was made before starfighters of the galaxy came out. It said the latest measurments would peg it at that length but it was poppycock on LFL part, they haven't proved it.

Infact behind the magic cd-rom says that both measurements are valid for ssd. IT says there are SSDs that are 12.8 km, it also says there are super star destroyers that are 8 kms.

So that outdated quote on the site didn't honestly prove that later sources confine to it.

Since the latest measurment in starfighers of the galaxy pegged it at 8km that is the latest measurment of ssds.

 

Let me prove to you why you cannot simultaneously believe both A and B.

If an ISD is 1.6 km long, then an SSD is 17.6.

If an SSD is 12.8 km long, then an ISD is 1.16.

So now I am asking you which of those you believe. I await your response.

 

Bib...
"If an ISD is 1.6 km long, then an SSD is 17.6.

If an SSD is 12.8 km long, then an ISD is 1.16."
Neither one of those is correct.

The only correct answers are:
If LFL states ISD is 1.6km long, then ISD is 1.6km long.

If LFL states latest SSD measurement is about 12.8km long, then latest SSD measurement is about 12.8 km long.

Same way they state Thrawn and Daala are geniuses, that Mara Jade is a Jedi Master, etc. We can disagree all we want with those facts, but the fact is, for the fictional SW universe, it is LFL which determines everything.

 

Sorry, Genghis, but the movie disagrees with you in this case. The Executor is clearly at least 11 times the size of an ISD, which proves that it cannot be 12.8 if an ISD is 1.6.

You lose.

 

Genghis12, stop lying. This is the third time I've had to tell you that.

The latest measurement isn't 12.8 km anymore. It was when the database entry was published, but since then, Starships of the Galaxy has been published.

And guess what? It says SSDs are 8 km long.

So the original statement is no longer correct.

The original print of the book A New Hope had written on the cover, "Soon to be a spectacular motion picture from Twentieth Century Fox."

Does that mean that Star Wars still has yet to be a movie? It was true in 1976. And it's still printed on that cover. But things have changed since that book was printed. So it's no longer true.

And the database entry still says that. But since it was published, things have changed. And it's no longer true that the latest measurement is 12.8 km. So stop lying and saying it is. It's not.

 

It's rather interesting how things have progressed with regards to the overall situation. It used to be the 17.6km figure vs the 8km figure. Debaters would pick one side or the other, and the argument would be pretty starightforward for the most part. Now it seems that 8km has sided with 17.6km and formed the Established SSD Measurements Alliance to defeat the new common enemy that is 12.8km, much how the New Republic and Empire formed an alliance to repel the Ssi Ruuvi. No doubt when the 12.8km invasion has been repelled 8km and 17.6km will pick up their war where it left off...

 

Red Mage, you aren't entirely correct. While it is true that some SSDs are 8 kilometers long, the Executor and its sister ship, the Lusankya, clearly aren't.

 

Sorry, Bib, but I'm going to have to have some hard evidence that the Executors weren't the same class before I'll believe that.

 

Just go look at the movies. What more evidence do you need? The Executor clearly cannot be 8 kilometers (or 12.8). The only length it can be is 17.6.

 

And how does that prove that she's a different class? I'm pretty sure that the ISB says she's a Super.

 

It is a Super-class ship. But it is also an Executor-class ship.

The Executor, Lusankya, Intimidator and one or two others are 17.6 km long. Other Supers are 8 km long, as described in several of the books.

 

Right. And ships of the same class don't mysteriously gain a few km of length, or they'd be different classes.

 

Correct. The 3 I named above are all Executor-class Super-class Star Destroyers (or Executor-class Super Star Destroyers).

 

Red_mage...
"Genghis12, stop lying."

The only one lying is you.

There is no way to take the statement, "the latest measurement is about 12.8km."

"The latest measurement isn't 12.8 km anymore."

It is, you can check TOS.

"It was when the database entry was published, but since then, Starships of the Galaxy has been published."

Incorrect. Being a piece of digital information, the copy published on one's computer is a new publishing of the inforamtion each time the page is "refreshed." Therefore, it is ludicrous to try and compare anything which is constantly always up-to-date. You would have a case, if it was a piece of hardcopy, like Starships of the Galaxy.

However, it is not.

LFL's official stance is "the latest measurement is about 12.8km." LFL is not wrong, because only they can determine that they are wrong.

The thing about Star Wars is that it covers numerous time-frames and eras. So, if one talks about something, they need to set the timeframe.

TOS does exactly that - the timeframe is the latest measurements of the ship. Starship of the galaxy does not do it.

The latest measurement is about 12.8km That is the only answer if one wishes to know what the latest measurement is.

 

And how, exactly, can a ship belong to two classes at the same time?

 

Subclassifications.

 

RaptorRage...
"No doubt when the 12.8km invasion has been repelled 8km and 17.6km will pick up their war where it left off..."

ROTFLMAO! Exactly it. Some people like to hold to their long-established beliefs than to have to suffer a new set of beliefs thrust upon them against their will.

However, only LFL can repel the 12.8km invasion, not any fans. Perhaps they may choose to do so. Perhaps not.

 

Here are some lines of reasoning that'll be sure to be refuted by a few people:


-Super-class Star Destroyers are 8,000 meters in length.

-The Executor is not 8,000 meters in length.

-Therefore the Executor is not a Super-class Star Destroyer.


And I'm sure the first comment will be "That's right, because the Executor is 12,800 meters in length." But then the answer to that would be the same reasoning as above, with 12,800 replacing 8,000. Because the Executor is not 8,000 or 12,800 meters in length.

So, how does that sit with everyone?

 

This topic will never die.

 

Actually, Super-class Star Destroyers are 12.8km in length, of which the Executer is a part of.

I suppose someone can try arguing against the canonicity of the Guide to the SW universe, WEG, WotC, TOS - basically every single LFL source - that the Executer is not a Super-class and it would be interesting to see them try.

The only thing which can disprove any of the sources is the movie - and the movies are certainly silent on the subject of ship-classes.

Therefore, none of them are wrong, all of them are canon. What it leaves us with is that the length thought to be 8km is now 12.8km.

If people have some aversion to using "about 12.8km," then they can also use the stage-name of the ship - "The Ship Formerly Thought to be 8km."

 

Shield of lies, pg 320:

Taggar flew a steady line as he read the reports from R2-R on his cockpit display.
IDENTIFIED: ARAMADIA-CLASS THRUSTSHIP
IDENTIFIED: ARAMADIA-CLASS THRUSTSHIP
IDENTIFIED: VICTORY-CLASS STAR DESTROYER
IDENTIFIED: ARAMADIA-CLASS THRUSTSHIP
IDENTIFIED: IMPERIAL-CLASS STAR DESTROYER
IDENTIFIED: EXECUTOR-CLASS STAR DESTROYER

The list grew longer as N'zoth grew larger ahead.

pg 322

The buzz turned into a dark murmur a few seconds later, when the view from Number 1 changed and another, sleeker dagger shape snapped into focus. There was hardly a person in the room who could not identify that profile, and the exceptions quickly learned the significance in a hasty whisper from a companion: there was a Super Star Destroyer in orbit around N'zoth.
From the beginning, the New Republic had opted to build a larger number of smaller vessels---Fleet carriers, Republic-class Star Destroyers, battle cruisers---rather than adopt the Imperial design philosophy. Mon Mothma had given orders to scrap rather than repair or make a museum piece of the sole SSD captured from the Empire. Consequently, the eight-kilometre-long behemoth circling N'zoth had anything in the New Republic Fleet badly outgunned.
"Now, that, that can only be Intimidator," Nylykerka pronounced. "All of the late-production Super-class had that additional shield tower located on the centreline---"

"Consequently, the eight-kilometre-long behemoth circling N'zoth had anything in the New Republic Fleet badly outgunned."

Note that that quote is written by an omnicient observer, which should mean that what they say is what they say, Omncient by definition cannot be fallible. First it says that the ship is both a executor class and and a super-class at the same time, and that that particuler ship is 8 km long. Mysterious to say the least.

We could blaim it on K-mac since he is human, but that is going outside of the willing suspension of disbelief. But it is a contradiction at first view. But anyone that decides to throw it out, is just like saxton in that respect, It's exactly what he did.

 

Ok, Genghis12, where am I deliberately misrepresenting anything? I've made clear where I think you're lying. Now, where am I?

Tell me, Genghis12, why is it that you're avoiding the issue?

Each time someone loads that document, that does not count as a first date of publishing. That counts as a reprint -- and reprints don't mean anything in terms of which source is more recent.

What matters is the date of first publishing.

Which, in terms of a database entry on an online source, means the first time the page was put up in its present form.

So, when was the last time that entry was updated? Before or after Starships of the Galaxy? You're the one who claims it's more recent -- prove it.

The book was published after that entry was. That makes the book the most recent source -- and it says 8 km is the length. So that trumps the old, un-updated entry in the database.

And as far as a previous line of discussion was concerned....

Tell me, Genghis12, didn't you defend your position by saying that you can't use an official number to trump another one? If that's so, then how can you support the "about 12.8 km" claim -- it's in direct contradiction with other claims.

So, by your own logic, an SSD is 8 km and 12.8 km at the same time. That's physically impossible. Make up your mind, Genghis12, and tell us which is it? 8 km or 12.8 km?

 

Correct Val, that's the same ship who was thought to be measured 8km in length. The Shield of Lies measurement is not incorrect, merely inaccurate.

TOS addressed every length from the initial inaccurate 8km length first seen in The Guide to the Star Wars Universe from 1984, all the way up to the latest length.

The latest measurement is about 12.8km.

 

Red_Mage...
If you think TOS is lying when it says "The latest measurement..." then provide proof of them lying.

Val...
"Tell me, Genghis12, didn't you defend your position by saying that you can't use an official number to trump another one? If that's so, then how can you support the "about 12.8 km" claim -- it's in direct contradiction with other claims."

It is not. TOS is the only source to claim the "latest" measurement is 12.8km. It is therefore not in direct contradiction with anything else, as no other sources make the same claim. As has been stated earlier...
1. Star Wars covers multiple times. To set the information, the time must be set. TOS does this by stating the time it covers - "The latest..." It is in force now.
2. There have indeed been other measurements for the same length. These lengths applied then. If anyone wants to know what measurement for the length of the Executer is from 1984's A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, then that measurement still is 8km.

That's where I think you are misinterpreting everything. All sources are still 100% valid and true. However, the latest measurement is now 12.8km.

Now, if you think anything contradicts "The latest measurement..." then cite the source.

Prove TOS is wrong. Starships of the galaxy doesn't say anything about TOS at all.

Red_Mage...
Your arguement has no merit. Someone can update the database tomorrow, someone could've updated the database yesterday. There is however a statement for when the SSD information is "in force." That statement is "the latest measurement..." Unless you can show intimate knowledge of LFL afairs, then your argument is pure spam. You can't claim to know something you don't. That is, you can't claim to know that they were lying to us when they said "latest."

Since Val likes definitions

late adj. 3.Having begun or occured just previously to the present time; recent. 4.Having recently occupied a position or place.

Therefore, by adding "est" to create "latest," the TOS information is the most recent information or the most recently occupied measurment for the SSD.

 

"The Shield of Lies measurement is not incorrect, merely inaccurate."

Hypocritical Fallacious argument they mean the same thing:

New World Dictionary:
in·ac·cu·rate [in ákyrt ] adjective
not correct: not accurate or correct

New World Dictionary
in·cor·rect [ìnk rékt ] adjective

1. erroneous: wrong, false, or inaccurate

2. unfitting: not appropriate, suitable, or proper

You are doing the exact same thing saxton does.