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PT How Powerful was FULL potential Anakin?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Rickleo123, Jul 20, 2016.

  1. VadersFollower

    VadersFollower Jedi Knight star 1

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    "could be", I personally dont think Luke or anyone would be as powerful as the son of the force itself. By the time he became leftovers of a man encased in a suit, he was still very young and not even a master, so there was so much more he could be if not his fall
     
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  2. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's what Lucas said.

    "Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful, but he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor. So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side. You’ll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no."

    --George Lucas, “Star Wars: The Last Battle,” Vanity Fair, 2005.


    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.


    "At the center of the movie is a lot of exposition, it's a lot of explaining what has happened, and why things are the way they are. In this particular case, there is a whole issue of Luke's sister, and you know, the fact that they were twins. Which is an element that has to be revealed, which comes in later, in terms of who is the 'other' that was talked about in Empire Strikes Back. And how could that person become as powerful as Luke? Well obviously if they were twins, then if she were trained, then, she has the same abilities as Luke has. That becomes an important issue, especially in terms of resolving all the love triangles."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.
     
  3. Rickleo123

    Rickleo123 Jedi Knight star 3

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    You keep posting Lucas qoutes but none of those prove anything about Luke. We have never seen Luke do anything in current disney canon on even a fraction of the level of The Father on Mortis who is force god and who Anakin was supposed to replace. Not to mention disney can just as easily dump anything Lucas has said in thier new canon so Luke could easily not be anywhere near full poetential Anakin in new trilogy if the best he can do is anything we've already seen other jedi perform.


    Both scenarios still undercut Anakins poetential in my opinion. How does the Emperor stay alive another 20 years if obi wan loses the duel on mustafar? Anakin would have easily surpassed him in a few short years and claimed himself as Emperor very quickly. We saw how terrified The Father was of the possibilty of The Son escaping from Mortis and wreaking unspeakable havock across the galaxy. How dangerous would an evil full poetential Anakin be? Much more so I imagine. With powers far beyond Sidious and the ability to control/manipulate midi-chrlorines on a level that would blow Plagueis mind no doubt. Perhaps unlock the secret to physical immortality the Sith had long been seeking? Im curious if there is any scenario where a full poetential Anakin is stopped. Yoda could barely stalemate Sidious he stands no chance on his own against Emperor Vader. Perhaps Luke and Leia together or finding the dagger of Mortis to slay him...
     
  4. Conkhead_12

    Conkhead_12 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Well, I did say that he would have overthrown Sidious long ago, before the events of ROTJ for sure. I do agree with you that if he took on the Emperor before ROTJ, the only thing that stands a chance in defeating him, is Luke and Leia combined only.
    Why?
    As we saw in the events of Star Wars, everything Vader has done has been literally, all powered by love.
    -Betraying the Jedi to save Amidala - love
    -Disobeyed Kenobi and Windu's order and goes back to Tatooine to save his mother - love.
    -Finally turned back to the Light Side of the Force and saves Luke while sacrificing his own life - love.
    Yeah yeah I know, damn, Vader's selfish. Betraying the Jedi to save Amidala probably cost the whole Jedi order, the Old Republic. Millions of fighters. And ultimately. he even fails to save his wife, and also killing her. Blah blah blah. The point is Vader's main motivation in doing things is love, purely love.
    This brings me back to why only Luke and Leia stands a chance against him.
    1. They could appeal to the hidden Light inside Vader, his parental love. Luke had used this in helping Vader to redeem himself.
    2. Because Luke and Leia's grandfather is probably the midi-chlorians (lolz) they are born from the one that was conceived by the midi-chlorians. This should give them a very strong connection to the force (exceptional, even compared to the other Jedi). They would be able to use their combined super-strong affinity with the force to, maybe, Telekinesis or absorb force lightning and blah blah blah, which would give them advantage over Vader.
    3. 2 is always better than 1
     
  5. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    We don't see Lucas do it in the OT, because he hasn't finished his training as his father had. And we have yet to see what Luke will do in Episode VIII. Also, as I mentioned, Anakin could only tame the Son and Daughter because he was on Mortis, a planet strong with the Force. A nexus that could even make someone like Qui-gon appear, when he had no physical form away from Mortis. And Anakin wasn't really supposed to replace the Father. He believed that Anakin could do it, but it was always Anakin's choice to do so. It was not his destiny to tame the children, but to simply destroy the Sith. As to what Lucasfilm will do, they've already stated that they're not disregarding anything Lucas wrote, or said.
     
  6. Subtext Mining

    Subtext Mining Jedi Master star 4

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    What about Padme's potential? Could she have one day been Supreme Chancellor in a healthy Republic?
     
  7. Dark Ferus

    Dark Ferus Chosen One star 8

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    Apparently, he was capable of defeating Palpatine, Dooku, several Jedi Masters, and possibly Mace Windu. I don't know about Yoda though. I think that if Anakin hadn't been so consumed by rage, or if Obi Wan had used another lightsaber combat form, Anakin could have wiped the floor with him.