Full Series How will Rebels differ from Clone Wars?

I never thought of Barris and Ahsoka as friends. I don't think about the Jedi in those terms. And I don't think they see themselves that way, either. If they ever do, it's an inherently compromised form of friendship.

Like in ROTS, when Obi-Wan calls Anakin a "brother" and uses the word "love", he is wrong -- if that had truly been the case, Anakin would not have kept his relationship with Padme a secret, and Obi-Wan might have taken a more active interest in Anakin's wayward development.

I guess I just don't understand why the storytellers are being critiqued for not sufficiently demonstrating a sense of friendship among the Jedi; it has been clearly established that they do not form attachments with other people, so there's nothing to show.

If the showrunners were, indeed, trying to get me to hate the Jedi (and it's a big "if"), they failed. If anything, I like them even more now, knowing that even with their amazing abilities, they are still vulnerable, and in their most introspective moments (Yoda's arc), they are susceptible to deep feeling.

 

Faithful Wookiee: Perhaps it has to do with my now distant background as a military sociologist, but these guys intrigued me from the start. Cohesion in different types of military units was one of my special interests, and I really wondered how a unit could be effective if it consisted of just one personality type when I saw the PT. Well, TCW answered this one for me. The TCW clones -like RL twins and triplets and so on - were similar, but not the same type of person, and I really, really loved to see them develop their own personalities and traits. They were such lovable guys (at least some of them), what happened to them was horrible IMO, and, well, then again I'm really into body armor .

 

I've actually thought of Ahsoka and Barriss as being friends ever since season 2 originally came out, so I guess it works for some people and not for others.

 

I kind of agree with your remarks about friendship, in principle. But if the Jedi are truly as friendly as you suggest, then why didn't Anakin trust Obi-Wan, and why didn't any of them trust Ahsoka?

 

Now that I've seen a bit more of the preview material I worry it will be much more kiddy than TCW was.

 

I can see how that might theoretically mess up the OT for someone whose only exposure to Star Wars before seeing it was this particular TCW arc, but honestly I don't think of or worry about things from that angle. Ep. IV is always what people should watch first if they've never seen any SW as far as I'm concerned, in which case this wouldn't be an issue at all.

Other than that, people whining incoherently in a discussion forum is an expected expression of humanity and doesn't deserve to impact anyone's view of the subject matter in its own right in my opinion.

There are two separate issues you're addressing here and I feel differently about them. You already know that in terms of setting up Ahsoka and Barriss as good friends by Jedi standards I think the S2 Geonosis arc was sufficient and not having them together again until the arc in question fits the serialized nature of the show. However, in my mind, whether they sufficiently explained Barriss' motivations is an entirely separate issue. That's what I was referring to when I said the execution was not 100%. I don't think it necessarily needs a logical explanation because I don't think when people do things like that it is for logical reasons, but they still needed more fully fleshed out reasoning (like a specific goal she thought she could accomplish, for example) rather than just using the same brief but broad wording about thinking the Jedi are wrong to be involved in the war that was already attributed to the public in the first episode of the arc.

Are you serious? Based on what? I saw more brutality in that 7-minute clip than probably all of TCW S1.

 

anakinfansince1983 I know neither of us have the desire to keep going in circles or talk past one another, but the stated writing intent based on interviews is to show the Jedi as flawed, not as a "piss on the Jedi" approach or anything equivalent to that. I did not feel anything the Jedi did made them look bad enough to constitute being "pissed on" by the writing, and other fans latching onto those things as terrible evidence in really bad arguments that the Jedi were evil does not impact my interpretation of TCW or the saga whatsoever.

 

Tarkas: Based on the clips I've seen as I said.

 

anakinfansince1983 If the whole final arc of season 5 is not about trust -- or the lack thereof, which is starting to eat away at the foundation of the Jedi Order, facilitating the execution of Order 66 and the rise of the Emperor (Anakin's issue in ROTS is that neither Obi-Wan, nor the rest of the Order, trust him anymore) -- I would like to know what it is about. What did I miss?

Dark Lord Tarkas I think the explanation of Barris's motivations was more than sufficient. Star Wars is not the place for time-consuming excursions into armchair psychology. I felt the same way about Krell: state the motivation behind the behaviour clearly, and then let the viewers fill in the blanks on their own.

 

So, out of interest, what was the normal level of trust that might be placed in a 17-year-old Jedi apprentice?

 

The Ep. I and Ep. II examples are before the Jedi are fully engaged in the war.

TCW makes references across multiple arcs, I believe ranging from the first season to the last, to the Jedi having to press more responsibilities on younger and younger Jedi due to the demands of the war.

The first time we see Ahsoka on a solo mission it is on a team with another Padawan, showing that she was not receiving any special treatment.

Regarding your previous post, I don't think demonstrating that the Jedi are flawed puts any of the responsibility for Order 66 on them whatsoever. I think it's valuable to show that at this point the galaxy is so ****** up even the Jedi, who try the hardest by far, have to make some tough decisions with inevitably unfortunate results.

 

Well, that's what you get for being one of the only posters whose posts I always read. Yeah they obviously trusted her till she got the boot.

 

TCW had Jar Jar and the Battle Droids. What does Rebels have that compares?

 

The show will differ in tone

 

Interview is interesting about the tone, just looks like CW, will start off lighter and could eventually grow to maturity with each season.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04...oach-the-characters-and-fan-skepticism?page=4

 

Am bit concerned over this news though, kinda odd:

http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/57821/star-wars-rebels-where-greg-weisman/

 

It would really cool to see Lando, Han n Chewy....Bail n Leah.....Tarkin, Vader, Ozzie n Palps

 

Apparently Stormtroopers. The latest clip with Sabine make battle droids look like brainiacs compared to these bumblers.