Lit Human origins in the Star Wars EU

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Brenapp, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Skywalker_T-65 Force Ghost

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    Really? I guess you learn something new every day :p
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  2. Adam_Bosman Jedi Grand Master

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    It's not a huge leap. The E.T. alien is Episode I and it also appears on earth in the movie E.T.

    Retcon THAT!!
  3. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    Still, I don't think this is evidence of any "connection to Earth". As much as I like to take it at face value, on occasion, "A long time ago" = "Once upon a time". The universe doesn't need to worry about presenting a believable scenario that occured in the distant past (which would rule Basic = English out), because it's explicitly identifying itself as a fantasy from the onset.
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  4. Brenapp Jedi Master

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    Where is that signature from?
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  5. Brenapp Jedi Master

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    Just thought I'd provide a link to information about Old Corellian:

    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Olys_Corellisi
  6. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    The thing is, even if SW humanity should have came from earth, it would have been so long ago that they have completely forgotten about it, as not even Coruscant is actually their original home world, do to it actually being too cold in its natural state for humanity to have evolved there.
  7. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    Humans have evolved on Coruscant from a species called Zhell. The "Coruscant was too cold to have Humans evolved there" may be just wrong, because everything else points to the opposite. Maybe they were created by a more advanced species on Coruscant and have not naturally evolved. Inhabitants from Earth cannot have been colonisizing the Star Wars galaxy, because it is set in the past. The only thing possible would be Humans from Coruscant settling on Earth.

    Galactic Basic sounds almost exactly like American English. I would say the language has been forgotten after the Humans from the Star Wars galaxy (Skyriver) have arrived on Earth, maybe because of a natural disaster, but it has been recreated through subconsciousness.

    Almost the same has been done in Battlestar Galactica. Human Colonists and Cylons settle on Earth, their culture including the Caprican language got forgotten, but thousands of years later all has been recreated by modern society which remembers those ancient times subconsciously.
  8. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    The Zhell are just a human tribe/nation.

    Why would it? The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons mentions it as fact, pointing at that the humans did came from somewhere else, which does not have to be Earth, as they simply do not know anymore, just excluding Coruscant from being the orginal homeworld The Taung could actually be the native species and the humans intruders, the first recorded histories already have Coruscant heavily urbanized, which someone must have done before the final showdown between Taung and Human.
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  9. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    There are contradictional sources. Some say the Zhell were another species, other ones say it was the name of an organization called "Nations of Zhell".

    I don't own the EGtPaM. Is it really a statement given as fact from a out-of-universe perspective or an in-universe assumption?

    Besides, the fact that modern-day Coruscant needs orbital mirrors to warm it up is just illogical and unrealistic. The heat extense of all energy consumers and producers like speeders, light panels, starships, blasters, hypermatter reactors etc. would generate a temperature high enough to kill most living beings and melt down skycrapers. So they wouldn't need something to warm the planet up, but to cool it down.
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  10. Chewbacca89 Force Ghost

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    What about the other way around? It seems it would be easier to just have humans set up a colony on earth in the far distant past. Perhaps have it as an uninhabited world in the Unknown Regions?
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    Nothing points to the opposite; we are just told by the EGTPAM that natural Coruscant is too cold for humans to have evolved on it. Either they evolved their after the planet had already been mucked with to change its atmosphere (by someone else), or they simple evolved somewhere else, since humanity in the GFFA has no clue what their original home world is (they have fought whole wars over this thing per the Adventure Journals) pretty much anything is possible, including their original home world actually having been destroyed.



    They use those to heat certain areas and provide energy at the same time, besides controlling the weather with them.



    Doubtful anyone actually uses those outside of starships/ huge space stations, as even by the Clone Wars the tech is experimental and has a tendency to fail on epic proportions. Fusion seems to be the common energy source.




    Those weather regulation stations are likely to work both ways in that regard. Once the Vong had actually knocked those out along with normal tech they shifted the planet apparently just to prevent it from freezing over very quickly.

    Or the far distant future in another galaxy ;) as SW happens a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
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  12. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

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    This way leads to Prometheus-class bad biology. Obviously SW isn't the most realistic thing in the world, but this is one problem it could easily avoid.
  13. Brenapp Jedi Master

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    I recall there was a Marvel comic where it was suggested that the ancestral homeworld of humans in the GFFA was a planet called Notron. Wookieepedia theorizes that Notron may simply have been an ancient name for Coruscant.
  14. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Though somehow most people seem to want to forget that right in the same comic Han ridicules the whole claim.

    [IMG]
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  15. StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost

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    star wars is not BSG.....reimagined or original.
  16. StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost

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    Well.....um in ET.....star wars is fictional creation. So how can it be fictional, created by George Lucas in ET universe, but also be truth, and actually taking place in another galaxy? Don't make no sense dude.

    The ET aliens in episode 1 were just a nod/reference to ET, doesn't mean both films are set in the same continuity.
  17. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Never seen Prometheus, not big on horror movies, though from the quick wiki story summery…. :confused:

    What I was getting it that the SW setting actually implies that all of it takes place somewhere else and a long time ago. So if it is actually anyway meant to be related it is actually more likely that someone came to earth from there, than the other way around.
    Hyperspace misshap that stranded him in the future and in another galaxy. :p

    http://www.holonetnews.com/48/life/13321_2.html
  18. jSarek VIP

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    The Dark Empire Sourcebook.

    It's not the only signature we've seen; Wookieepedia has a whole category of them.
  19. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    Eh, this is pretty easy to handwave. You just say that, in the ET universe, Lucas based his films on the "Journal of the Whills" that somehow made their way to Earth, and Yoda's species was accurately represented. :D
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  20. KamSolusar Force Ghost

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    Yep. AFAIR they didn't change the name "Night Hammer", but made the "Knight Hammer" into the "Jedi-Hammer".

    Still better then the German version of the Shadows of the Empire novel... "Champion" and "Xanthippe"...:oops:

    To be fair, some translators really seem to put a lot of research into it and get most of it right. Others seem to not even try...
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  21. General Immodet Jedi Grand Master

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    Humans first originated from the Death Star. Duh...
  22. JoinTheSchwarz Comms Admin & Community Manager

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    If Alien Exodus had been published with its American Graffitti connections, I hope the Shistavanen were intended to be the descendants of Wolfman Jack.
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  23. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    If we're going to start taking things literally...

    [IMG]

    ...then remember that the Earth in the galaxy far, far away is not our Earth, but the Earth of Sam and Max. :p
  24. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    I remember reading somewhere that the E.T. senator was planning an expedition to leave the galaxy to explore what's out there.
    Nod or not E.Ts are canon especially since the E.T. on earth recognized the Yoda looking costume and started saying home over and over.
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  25. StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost

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    Perhaps ET was reminded of another alien species from his homeplanet/galaxy, that does not mean the GFFA or Yoda actually exists in the ET universe.

    ET species exists in star wars canon, but one of them visiting earth, encountering some kid, friendship formed, and star wars is fictional, is not canon in the star wars universe.

    Yes it is possible the ET species in the GFFA did set out an expedition beyond the galaxy, that does not make the events of the ET movie canon.

    You can't expect me believe that 20th century Earth where star wars franchise is apart of its culture actually exists in the star wars universe/canon.

    If that was true, then there is some dude named Harrison Ford on Earth, who looks exactly like Han Solo, even though they are from completely different planets and galaxies. Same goes for the rest of the cast of the OT.
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