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JCC I Have an Actual Moral Dilemma

Discussion in 'Community' started by Rogue1-and-a-half, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    This was my thought after reading the review.
     
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  2. a star war

    a star war Jedi Knight star 4

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    Okay so destroying a single copy of a book doesn't make someone a "book burner". book burning is about censorship. This book is still widely available. You're not banning it, or gathering up copies to destroy it. You are throwing away a book that you didn't like.

    Have you ever deleted an e-mail? Thrown away a flyer? Closed a tab on a website you said you'll never visit again? Same thing. Shredding a single book is not equivalent to book burning.

    Also **** the "sanctity" of art. Art has been the tool of oppression and coercion as much as it has been of liberty and freedom of thought. If you don't like something get rid of it. Choosing to express your dislike of something by burning it is as valid a form of expression as someone else choosing to express it in the form of words.
     
  3. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This story reminds me a lot of "The Martian."
     
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  4. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Force Ghost star 5

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    Pulp it, and have it made into a different book.
     
  5. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Recycle it without the covers, so no-one knows what it is.

    Throw it in a bin without covers (I've tossed one or two books that I could not handle the existence off).

    Fill bucket with water, drop book in.

    Google some papier mache projects...

    Do that paper dog thing.

    Put it aside for winter or barbecue fuel.
     
  6. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, I guess I might as well give it away now since the whole point of not doing that was to keep people from reading it and apparently this thread is now serving as a "strong recommendation."

    I feel like that exact sequence of events has almost certainly happened in some Marvel comic or other.
     
  7. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I could certainly see it happening in any number of Mark Millar comics.
     
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  8. a star war

    a star war Jedi Knight star 4

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    Pretty sure that's a synopsis of Carol Danvers' life before 2000.
     
  9. Diggy

    Diggy Snow Cat Sponsor/Advocate star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Rogue, I will solve your dilemma. With this you won't have to destroy a book, or put it back into circulation, and therefore moral dilemma solved and you can rest east.

    I want you to send the book to me, and I will...destroy it for you.
     
  10. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, there's an option: give it to someone who already reads bestiality porn.
     
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  11. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I opened this thread hoping it would involve you, a time machine, and a young Adolf Hitler.

    Disappointed.
     
  12. Diggy

    Diggy Snow Cat Sponsor/Advocate star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    I write more than read these days.
     
  13. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    If Rogue went back in time to kill Hitler to stop The Painted Bird from being written, is that censorship?

    So jokes (and honest intent to read The Painted Bird) aside, I have toyed around with this idea in the past. Like, uh, outside of my weirdly specific "Philosophy of Science Book Club" thread, I mean. It seems like it'd be fun on paper but kind of a pain to pick a book for.

    Also there's that risk of Lit types coming and suggesting Star Wars. Ew.
     
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  14. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i dont understand what you were expecting from a book written by a polish person?
     
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  15. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Back in the old days when the Amphitheatre first opened, we did a book club for a few months. To avoid the issues of picking a book, we decided to use a list, so we were using the Modern Library's top 100 books of the twentieth century list. This sounds like my idea, but it actually wasn't. It was another user, but I can't remember for sure who. I think we did a couple of things wrong. The ML list just wasn't that accessible; I mean, it had some really difficult books on there. I enjoyed what we did read, but giving people even a full month to read some of those books still wasn't enough time. The Magus was on there and I liked it okay, but it was nearly a thousand pages seems like. And Sophie's Choice was difficult in both the emotional sense and the length issue. I think the idea of using a list is a good one, to keep things easy as far as selection and even allowing people read ahead if they want, but the ML list was just too difficult for the average reader. Some of it was too difficult for me even and I read some heady stuff sometimes.

    But I'd be with you on it, if you want to try starting one.
     
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  16. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    I think you should re-read it and then immediately afterwards, watch Salo. A week after that, do these two things again but at the same time while live streaming it to this thread and/or the JCC Watches Movies thread.
     
  17. Diggy

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    Hmm, Modern Library would make for a heavy list.

    How about Cosmo?

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/books/a36506/erotic-novels-you-must-read/
     
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  18. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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  19. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I actually tried to read 120 Days of Sodom a few years back. I thought I'd be all like, "Oh, how sophisticated I am and how droll that people were once offended by this." Nope. I was like ten pages in and I just bailed; there is a genre of porn in that book that is not even in A Serbian Film. The movie Salo is one of those things that feels culturally important but I don't know that I would ever even try.
     
  20. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    One of my 1001 movies you must see before you die books has Salo in it, so I have to watch it at some point. Or do I?

    OH GOD NOW I HAVE A MORAL DILEMMA
     
  21. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Just watch the other 1000 first. You'll probably be in a nursing home by the time you get to Salo and you'll have seen worse.
     
  22. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    That book has been on my shelf for years. One day, I'll get around to reading it.
     
  23. Ramza

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    Saló is an odd duck in that there's a lot of grotesque (and it's debatable if it all holds up, inexorable march of special effects and all of that) but it's not taking a lot of ghoulish pleasure in it the way, say, a cannibal film might so you feel extremely guilty about sitting through it. Which is arguably the point - there was a version of the ending planned where Pasolini and the rest of the film crew were going to being dancing along with the guards at the end of the film, and I kind of wish they had stuck with it.

    I dunno, people talk about "obligations" to sit through it or whatever but I've never liked the idea of there being this grand list of movies or games or books or what have you that must be engaged with, it seems reductive. I think it can stand on its independent merits without having to be on some ranking of importance, and if you don't want to watch it because you're worried it might be too gross... don't watch it.
     
  24. missile

    missile Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Just keep it then, you probably don't come across it that much keep it in your basement or something, or just destroy it, its your book you bout it.
    And if you feel bad about it remember you did buy it so you supported the writer so in my mind that balances out destroying it
     
  25. Diggy

    Diggy Snow Cat Sponsor/Advocate star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Are you saying you haven't read all of my posts?

    That's a little hurtful.