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I like JW, but he is starting to confuse his works!

Discussion in 'Star Wars And Film Music' started by Yuuzhanvong1000, Nov 22, 2002.

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  1. Ekenobi

    Ekenobi Jedi Padawan star 4

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    JW still comes up with some very original themes.
     
  2. The Gatherer

    The Gatherer Jedi Youngling star 6

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    I was going to start a new thread about this very same topic, and glad that it already exists.

    Like many of you, I was also shocked that the music in the Quidditch scene of HP: TCOS is ripped right out of AOTC... I can't understand why John Williams would have done this...
     
  3. TenorAprentice

    TenorAprentice Jedi Padawan star 4

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    well, if you had bothered to read the previous back pages, you would see that the music is quite different...

     
  4. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Like many of you, I was also shocked that the music in the Quidditch scene of HP: TCOS is ripped right out of AOTC... I can't understand why John Williams would have done this...

    The music is not exactly like AOTC. It is similar yes. Once again, please remember that John Williams did not score all of Chamber of Secrets. He composed about 40 minutes of new music including the new themes. William Ross was then brought in to arrange and conduct everything so John could work on Catch Me If You Can. Keep in mind that John did five scores in 12 months. That's a LOT. SO what if a few minutes of COS sound a lot like AOTC. I've got Fawkes' Theme, Lockhart's theme and all the other themes from the first film in an awesome score for the second film.

     
  5. TwiLekJedi

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    I'll gladly forgive JW for using 5 seconds of music twice, because there could be worse: Elliot Goldenthal's score for Final Fantasy is pretty interchangable with his score for Sphere. Noticed that while watching Sphere again and thought of this thread.
    The melodies aren't the same, but it's like Elfman's Batman-syndrome which I accuse him of :p
     
  6. General Kenobi

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    With JW being busy for the next 18 months, I'm sure this will be a topic of discussion.
     
  7. General Kenobi

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  8. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Now here's a thread I've not seen in a long time... a long time.

     
  9. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think my uncle's been here. He said it was dead.



    /LM
     
  10. Emperor's Prize

    Emperor's Prize Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Some people were complaining that the new clip from ROTS that was released on Hyperspace sounds a bit like Hedwig's theme from Harry Potter. So it would seem that the trend continues...
     
  11. Strilo

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    I don't hear that at all.

     
  12. Emperor's Prize

    Emperor's Prize Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I'm a bit skeptical myself. I believe if you compare:

    0:14-0:16 of the Hyperspace Preview track

    to

    1:15-1:17 of Hedwig's Theme Track 19 HP1

    you'll hear the similarities people are noticing.


    As far as I'm concerned, if anything, it's a very brief similarity and, as a whole, the two are very much different.
     
  13. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    As long as it sounds good, I don't care what it sounds like. It'll be Star Wars!



    John Williams has talent
    /LM
     
  14. Noelie

    Noelie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hmm... But I am sure that most of you turn on the radio or listen to groups that ALL sound the same. I hear it daily along with the explanations that its really great. Mostly I just hear thump thump thump thump, twain, bad lyrics that was the same as group z over there.
    So.. what that obsevation... why not demand "different" in your everday world?
     
  15. sithgoblin3

    sithgoblin3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the beginning of the 'Raptor Theme' in Jurassic Park is a straight lift of his earlier work on The Towering Inferno. The music in question is from towards the end of the film, when Steve McQueen's character is entering the building from the rooftop. Check it out, it's quite funny.
     
  16. Indiana_Fett

    Indiana_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The Raptor theme is that 4 note motif, right?
     
  17. sithgoblin3

    sithgoblin3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yeah, but I don't mean that. I'm talking about the low, forboding atmosphereics before the main motif.
     
  18. Indiana_Fett

    Indiana_Fett Jedi Padawan star 4

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    At the end of the credits?
     
  19. sithgoblin3

    sithgoblin3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I hope it's ok posting this. If this is not appropriate, I am sorry and please remove the links.

    Here's the scene from The Towering Inferno (Quicktime 1.17MB):

    http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=160WT8MS917NS038MM6E322ST6

    And here's a Mp3 clip of the beginning of the Raptor piece:

    http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=19O9ZACGS331U1JN1OOFL8UPDR
     
  20. sithgoblin3

    sithgoblin3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    *bump*

    Can anyone else hear it? Or am I just insane.
     
  21. --Darth_Ganondorf--

    --Darth_Ganondorf-- Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yeah, I hear it. It's probably just another one of those moments where a composer uses a certain series of notes in two different places. Silvestri does that a lot with some of his works. If you listen to him, you'll probably be able to hear some similarities between his scores, too (most prominently a rising four-note sequence in the order of A-B-B-C). Lots of composers recycle small, subtle cues like that.
     
  22. DarthIshtar

    DarthIshtar Jedi Grand Master star 9

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    I think the most prominent one that I noticed was between the Dry Your Tears, Africa and the opening theme to the Patriot. I did once sit down at a piano with a friend and started playing the theme from Hook, only to have him confuse it with Hedwig's theme. We then did a comparison of a lot of his themes, looking at the similarities.
     
  23. Vaderbait

    Vaderbait Jedi Knight star 6

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    I love Williams' work, but it's hard to defend Across the Stars because it is EXACTLY (note for note, or at least beat for beat) the same as the theme from Hook. It's still a chilling, beautiful piece of music, but it has been done earlier in his career.
     
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