"I sense Lord Vader is in danger"--Did this also exemplify Palps and Anakin were really close?

Sidious still had to be careful to maintain his public face, so showing up to help Maul would've cost him more than Maul was worth.

But keep in mind, Naboo where the fight took place, is Palps home planet. Showing up there would not have been out of the ordinary.

 

He cares about his investment.

 

Just got done watching Episode III yea I was curious at that point to but once agian I belive he was just using the force to sense Anakins emotions. I think he cared for Anakin to an extent take a look at ROTJ for a moment notice how Vader kind gets pushed to the side when Luke is confronting Sidous. All and all once some of you guys summed it up he is just caring for his investments.

 

Well, there was a small war going. He didn't exactly have an excuse to show up until the fighting was over. Either way, if he'd actually arrived and helped Maul, it would look pretty damn suspicious. He could probably stay out of the way and help Maul using Force talents, but I think the Jedi would've felt that.

 

From a writer's point of view, this is strictly a segue to transition into the next scene. It may not have more significance.

 

Indeed, the story of Darth Plageis and how Palpatine destroyed him parallels what he does to the jedi, who after a millenium are in a sense "sleeping." Order 66 was equally cowardly and sinister. Palps refers to "the tragedy of Darth Plageis" but the fall of the jedi is an even more tragic story. Had Anakin the ability to read between the lines (as ObiWan would have), he would have learned at the opera who the Sith Lord was, as Palp was essentially boasting. But - like a Sith - Anakin was so focused on his own interest in saving Padme that the larger message being conveyed fell on deaf ears.

 

Basically. Sidious doesn't care for Anakin at all. I know it's EU, but in the children's ROTS novel Sidious thinks about leaving Anakin where he is when he sees he's been injured. The only reason he saves Anakin is because there are no Jedi left to oppose the Sith, and the fact that he was already trained. Here, it doesn't matter that he pledged himself to the teachings of Sidious. It doesn't matter that he helped Sidious wipe out all the Jedi on Coruscant, or the Separatist Leaders. It doesn't matter that Anakin saved his life and made it possible for Sidious to stay in power. As Hayden Christensen stated, Palpatine's relationship with Anakin had everything to do with seduction, nothing more.

As someone mentioned above, in the end Sidious smiles because Anakin has lost his soul, his power, and turned to the dark side for nothing. Nothing could be more cruel than that. Sidious cares only about Sidious.

 

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But keep in mind, Naboo where the fight took place, is Palps home planet. Showing up there would not have been out of the ordinary.
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Well HE DID show up, but was escorted by the JC.

 

Really close? He was a force practicioner (sp). He could sense more than the average yahoo. Was he really close to Luke? No, but he sensed the danger he posed to him.

 

If the Jedi were truly wiped out with Anakin's help, then why save Anakin? At that point he had not trained Anakin per se in the dark side, but rather had influenced him toward its power and gotten him to become a Sith.

Then he is severly injured and cannot reach his full potential, so why save him other than continuing the Sith tradition in him having an apprentice. But if the Jedi of no real threat any longer, then he could possibly have just let Anakin die on Mustafar and sought to find another apprentice. He would have had no oppostion until the time that Luke came along for him to find a new apprentice and train them.

Again, this is why I believe that to some degree, even despite being a truly evil Sith Lord, I believe he allowed himself to care for Anakin, though his ultimate goal was to use him for his own desires and plans. Yes, he is a very powerful Sith Lord able to detect possibly any Force user across the galaxy; however one cannot deny the relationship he and Anakin had that contributed to him sensing Vader was in danger, if nothing but a Sith/dark side connection. He did not say that he saw that Lord Vader would be in danger, but rather at that moment he "sensed" he was in danger. I actually think he hoped to get there before Anakin was hurt.

Lastly, Sidious may have also been able to sense Vader's danger because of what feelings Anakin had toward him, though they were mixed since he had declared he could destroy the Chancellor.

Darth Sin!

 

Now did he sense this because now he and Anakin were both Sith, or was it actually because they had a close relationship, and that Palps/Sidious did actually care for him like a son?

Anakin is the chosen one,thats like a lighthouse in the force. Especially at that time,Anakin has become Darth Vader,pretty much unleashing all his emotions over all the years.That must like blare throughout the force like crazy.



It made me think of Anakin's own dreams about his mother being in danger from AOTC and for Padme in this film. But it also made me remember when Yoda told Luke that "Through the Force many things you will, "the past, the future, old friends long gone"

Sidious can def see the future,So my theory is that he knew the duel on Mustafar was a duel Vader could never win. He was defensive and angry,hurt and drunk on his own power. He didn't have the stableness to win a duel with his old master. He was a wreck.

However,I think Sidious didn't exactly know what to expect from Kenobi. He knew he'd probably disarm Anakin anyway possible,before killing him. He wondered if the anger and betrayal Obi Wan felt from Anakin's turning might take over him also and perhaps for a moment of anguish Obi Wan might have just killed him in cold blood. Or maybe Obi Wan's Jedi compassion would lead him to quickly kill Darth Vader,quick and painless because like yoda says,Anakin is gone.

Or the last possible answer is that Obi Wan leave him like he did,unable to give the killing blow.

Sidious didn't know which way it was going to happen,He just wanted to get there before it was too late.

I also thought about Darth Maul's fate when looking at Anakin's. I really think that Palps certainly wanted to use Anakin for his own personal plans and goals, but I also think he did care for Anakin like a son, as opposed to Darth Maul. And because of this, I really wonder did Palpatine sense that Maul was in danger when he fought the Jedi? I am going to guess that he did not, because he and Maul did not have a close personal relationship as he and Anakin shared.

Actually thats pretty ironic. Sidious cared about Maul,as much as a sith could for its apprentice. He trained him since he was a baby,and Maul ALWAYS got the job done. He hated to fail his master.

He most likely sense Maul's danger with Qui Gon and Obi Wan, but he couldn't do anything. Maul's assignment was to grab the queen,then the Jedi got involved and he was to kill them before word about the Sith surfacing got back to the council. It was something Sidious could not get involved with at the time.



I actually think Palpatine and Anakin were friends, as well as like father and son.

I think Palpatine just used Anakin because you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Anakin was his enemy,he and his offspring were the only real threats to him.

I think they had more of an 'old chum' relationship by the OT, because Vader is in routine and he just follows orders,not thinking of opposing till Luke comes. Anakin has a son,he doesn't need a father.

 

Define the word close



I mean, do you think Ani and Palpy were close?


Or do you think they were..... close

 

I think it probably does and somehow, it may connect to that line in ANH where Vader is refering to the tremor in the force that he felt in the presence of his old master, if he is refering to Palpatine as his master 20 years ago. Otherwise, that line could mean that he felt a tremor in the force when he felt the presence of his old master, Obi Wan Kenobi, at the Mustafar duel...

I am not sure about this and would appreciate if someone can clear this up for me...