Full Series I want some "evil" alien(s) as a good guy in rebels.

I think at least one of the main characters in Rebels should not be human, and instead be an alien. And not just an alien, but a member of a species that is more likely portrayed in star wars as bad guys (trandoshan's, clawdites, etc) and instead of acting "evil" like said species if often shown in the franchise, said character could have a strong moral character.

What do my fellow star wars fans think?

We already got something like this before when we got a rodian as a main character for a few episodes in the young jedi arc.

Personally i think a trandoshan would be a good pick (even better if its female, that sure has never been done before on screen), and would sure make it interesting if said trandoshan had to work together with a wookiee (i do think it would be nice to see some positive interaction between the two species for a change).

 

A female Trandoshan would inevitably be done wrong. They would give her boobs, something that a reptile should not have.

But other than that I totally agree with you.

How about a good guy Hutt?

 

I've actually been hoping we'd see a good guy Trandoshan (if TCW hadn't been cancelled, a Trando Jedi as a prominent character in a story would have been nice; it could have been especially interesting to see him/her work together with Ahsoka on a mission taking place some time after the events of the Trandoshan arc at the end of Season 3).

 

A hutt is a good idea.

It has been done before (in ToTJ), but they sure are rare (for good reasons).

I know reptiles don't have boobs, of course that doesn't stop certain companies giving reptiles them (think Argonians). Then again if reptiles were not humanized at all in fiction, they would also not walk upright like people and could not speak English, etc.

I actually don't know if female trandos have breasts or not, they probably don't, but im not 100% sure on that.

 

Which is why Tenebrous was awesome.

 

As for Breasts on non-mammals here is what Wookieepedia says....

"
A number of females belonging to non-mammalian species were known to have had breasts, most notably the reptilian Falleen. It was possible that these reflected a mammalian connection in the Falleen's genetic ancestry,[source?] but other sources indicated that the size and pigmentation of the spinal ridge were the main distinguishing feature of gender dimorphism in this species.[26] It was possible that large-chested Falleen females like Savan had cosmetic surgery, or that this was an evolutionary trait reflecting the Falleen's nature as highly-evolved sexual predators.
Similarly, the physique that T'ra Saa, who was a Neti—a sentient species of plants—assumed in her pseudo-Human form may have been consciously chosen, as she was a shape-shifter.[27]
Rodian females also possessed breasts with functional mammary glands. Off-world females, however, would wear loose clothing in an attempt to disguise their gender. Some females did flaunt their physique if they knew it would work to their advantage."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Breast: So we might have breasts on reptiles, but than again maybe not. I don't think they did that with both Clone Wars series. Now if this was in comic book form I would say yes right away, but it's a kids' tv show.

 

Breasts on any non-mammalian would be stupid. I can't remember if Meena Tills had breasts or not in TCW, but female Mon Calamari have apparently been shown as such in other media, which is absurd.



For it to read as recognizably female, all they really have to do is do what cartoons have been doing forever, play around with the proportions (sleeker body and bigger eyes) and then give it a female voice. Instead everything gets boobs and wide hips (not particularly necessary if you lay eggs).

 

When it comes to the broader topic of aliens that are generally shown as evil being portrayed as good, I would be happy to see a good Hutt or Neimoidian, etc. I remember hating the short, fat, farting Trandoshan (and I still do hate the fart jokes in Star Wars), but the concept of not all aliens conforming to a single culture, physique, moral compass, etc. has grown on me, and I would very much like to see a Hutt that is not a crime boss in a future Star Wars film or TV show. Geonosians were an alien design that I particularly liked, and I would have liked to see others of different alignments, though the ant-like colony structure of their society might make more sense for them to all conform to the Queen's desires. But they could have established other colonies on Geonosis itself run by rival queens, or other colonies on other planets in the system.

 

This is the franchise that gave us Yarna d'al' Gargan, so I'm not holding out much hope for subtle male/female character design.

 

Okay, how did this thread go from evil aliens to breasts? man, you people are weird

 

Darth Talon and Darth Ruyn were Twi'lek's. Usually a fairly good guy species. (Though there was always Bib Fortuna who was a seedy shady kinda character.)

TOR brought us Kalatosh Zavros. He's a Togruta. A species normally portrayed as homely wholesome small town good guy types. Except for when they just happen to be *drumroll* a Sith Lord. Which is what Zavros was.

 

You know what I posted a reply about the evil / good aliens and somehow while with the thing sitting in an open compositional window I missed about half a dozen posts concerning female mammalian bits on species that shouldn't have them, and almost a furious rant from one poster.

Which goes back to my own post up the thread. What have I started...

 

You should be ashamed of urself

 

I'm not holding my breath for anything believable, just saying it would be nice. 90% of the aliens in a lot of sci-fi franchises like Star Trek and Star Wars tend to be humanoid, which I would HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt is the case if intelligent life exists anywhere else in the galaxy. The Hanar of Mass Effect were "big, stupid jellyfish" but really I could buy that more as a quasi-believable alien design vs. the reoccurring belief that Earth is visited by aliens that vaguely look like Kaminoans with a lot of the same characteristics as humans, only with lanky builds.

The Cardassians in Star Trek were "reptilian" but they had boobs and hair, I'm not quite sure if the Rodians of Star Wars are supposed to be insects or reptiles, but the females have boobs and hair, etc.

Given the trend that's been set, no I don't think that the designers are all of a sudden going to consider that the odds of alien life looking remotely human is incredibly small, or the fact that reptilian, mammalian, and fish-like aliens all with boobs would imply that the common ancestor to all three groups breast fed, when in real life breast feeding is a synapomorphy of mammals and only mammals, and not even just mammals, but eutherians.

/nerd rant

Plus I'm not sure that terms like "reptile" or "mammal" really apply if species arose independently on various planets without a common ancestor. Without a common ancestor, something like a Wookiee and Human cannot both be said to be mammals. If we found life on another planet with hair-like covering and evolved something very similar to lactation, it still would never be a mammal, it would merely be convergent evolution.

I didn't know that the Bith, first seen playing music in a hive of scum and villainy, would default to being considered "good."

 

Personally i wouldn't hate it if trando females were given breasts on screen. And it sure is not because im male, but simply because it does make some "fictional sense" in why it would happen. In fiction aliens are sometimes very humanized animals. It is already very unrealistic for reptiles in star wars to be as intelligent as people, to be bipedal, to have a language like we do, etc. All of that mentioned is highly unrealistic for reptiles to have, but then again i don't hate that its a reality for trando's because its science fiction, it is not supposed to have realism in everything.

Then again, i also would not mind if the writers did not give breasts to a trando if they ever showed a female one on screen. Would be good change to see something that is female that doesn't have breasts. Of course the writers would then have to work a little harder in showing that said trando is female instead of following the typical female human features that make it obvious to the audience that a character is female.

 

I won't carry this conversation too far, just because it's deviating from topic and because it's a downer on a universe that requires a heavy dose of belief suspension, but there's nothing that inherently makes mammals smarter than reptiles. Birds are essentially dinosaurs and some of them are very smart. Squid and Octopi are more primitive than reptiles and I've heard that their intelligence is comparative to a cat's.

Most animals we consider to be intelligent are warm blooded, though I'm not sure if there is a correlation there or if it's merely coincidental.

 

The EU has a bit more diversity- there's a rebel trandoshan in the Crimson Empire comic, for example.

And an armoured Hutt warrior in the Scourge novel (based on a tabletop adventure module).

Maybe the Rebels series will do the same sort of thing.

 

The EU also had the ever-lovable Slyssk, failing in all things Trandoshan:



(although I suspect the primary goal of that comic was to undermine every Star Wars stereotype, with pyrophilic-Ithorians and whatnot...)

On the subject of TCW-species, I'd love to see a Neimoidian working with the heroes. I can even see Mar Tuuk going that route. Sort of like Hondo did, maybe -- not really a true hero, but he'd work with the heroes if it meant taking down the Republic-turned-Empire.

 

The Essential Guide to Warfare, page 148
The various groups fighting the early Empire had little in common except their opposition to the New Order. Some considered themselves Republic Loyalists and sought to restore what had been, others were determined to resist any outside rule, and a few were simply opportunists looking to profit from disorder.

And then, there were the former Separatists.

Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, and Garm Bel Iblis differed sharply about what role, if any, former Separatists should play in the Rebellion. Bel Iblis argued that Separatists who hadn't committed war crimes should be accepted, noting that the Alliance had found a place for groups that sought their own regions' independence, a goal that would have been called Separatism just a few years before. Organa disagreed, contending that all Alliance members must accept that the Rebels' first and foremost goal was the Republic's restoration. Mothma acknowledged Bel Iblis's point - after all, she'd joined Padme Amidala's calls for peace talks with the Separatist leadership - but worried that accepting Separatists would play into the hands of Imperial propagandists, drying up sympathy and support for the Alliance.

A few Separatist holdouts did eventually join the Alliance after publically disavowing their pasts: The CIS general Horn Ambigene became the leader of the Bryx Freedom Fighters, bringing his followers under the Alliance banner as the Bryx Sector Forces. (This did Bryx sector little good: It was brutally subjugated by the Empire.) Blox Hatha, a Neimoidian captain in the Trade Defense Force, was refused formal membership in the Alliance, but became a renowned privateer bearing a Rebel letter of marque.

Elsewhere, Rebel cells and Separatist true believers settled on a tacit policy of quiet mutual support or at least noninterference. But sometimes active hostilities broke out: Atravis sector was scarred by years of clashes among the Empire, pro-Republic resistance groups, and Separatist holdouts.

I could see privateers like Blox Hatha making good allies for the Rebels series.

 

They were always musicians in prior EU. It was awesome to see one as a Sith Lord.

 

Well Jar Jar is a evil alien so maybe him?