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I watched American Grafitti last night and I'm confused...

Discussion in 'Lucasfilm Ltd. In-Depth Discussion' started by DARK_SCORE, Jan 20, 2003.

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  1. DARK_SCORE

    DARK_SCORE Jedi Master star 4

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    I have to admit that I've watched American Grafitti many times before, but this time I watched the DVD documentary that accompanies the movie.
    I can't understand why Lucas could make a film that's so personal, so intimate, so idiosyncratic, so character-driven, so simple, so beautiful. And then make Attack of the Clones. I don't get it. Does this mean that a lot of the things I perceived as AOTC's 'flaws' are intentional? Or what? I just don't get it...
     
  2. Gobi-1

    Gobi-1 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I still think AOTC is a personal and character driven film. The love story and Obi-Wan and Anakin's reletionship were very well done.Just as good as anything in Graffit.

    One of my favorite scenes in AOTC was the Dex's Dinner scene. A wonderful scene where two characters enjoy being in ones company. It's just as warm as anything from American Graffiti.

    Another great scene is the Yoda teaching the children. It's very warm and touching to see Yoda as a kindly uncle to the children.

    I also like American Graffiti but I think AOTC is just as good as it. :D
     
  3. Dagobah1234

    Dagobah1234 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Is American Graffite any good?
     
  4. Gobi-1

    Gobi-1 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's very good. It's like Happy Days. As a matter of fact Happy Days is kind of based on American Graffiti. Ron Howard is in both of them. It's also neat to see how young Richard Dryfuss and Harrison Ford and the other actors are.
     
  5. UK Sullustian

    UK Sullustian Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Are a lot of the "flaws" in AOTC deliberate? Well, Lucas consistently states that the people are acting how he wants them to act, and that the dialogue is to be very formal and traditional, so I guess, that a lot of of the problems people have with it are less the "Lucas can't do it!?" but more "What is Lucas doing?!" I always find the best way to develop a dislike for the Prequels is to post in the Prequels forum. If you go back and watch the movies, then, yes, they have flaws, yes they are not as good as the OT, but they are not "bad" I feel.

    AG avoids all this by not having any weight of hype, or indeed expectations. It can work on it's own without preconceptions and as a naturalistic piece of cinema.

    And of course, AG and AOTC are like chalk and cheese to each other in terms of style and content.

    Imagine what people said when GL did Star Wars itself.. that WAS a leap from American Graffiti!

    UKS
     
  6. jp-30

    jp-30 Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Let's keep this focussed on Grafitti. If it degrades into a general pro/anti AOTC discussion I'll be forced to close it up.
     
  7. Jedi knight Pozzi

    Jedi knight Pozzi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    A man can chamge alot in 25-30 years.
     
  8. DARK_SCORE

    DARK_SCORE Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, American Grafitti is brilliant - I don't know if anyone's ever seen Dazed & Confused by Richard Linklater but that's almost like an homage to AG.

    Check it out - it's great! :)
     
  9. Tho Yor

    Tho Yor Jedi Master star 4

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    I watched American Graffiti for the first time today, and I loved it. It's truly a brilliant film, and really goes to show what a great storyteller Lucas is.
     
  10. jp-30

    jp-30 Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    is or was?

    ;) :p

     
  11. Uruk-hai

    Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Check out American Graffiti 2 for a contrast from brilliant to rubbish.
     
  12. Jedi_Sheridan

    Jedi_Sheridan Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Maybe the reason that American Graffiti seemed so personal to you is because it very much was. Lucas has admitted many times that it is an autobiographical retelling fo many elements of his life. More then that it is a very real story with very real characters which is why it is timeless and kids of today can relate to a generation now into their fifties.

    AOTC on the other hand is a different style. It is based more on a fictional realm that can't really be. Its a place we all want to vissit and some wish to live there...alas we can't. Perhaps it seems less personal because we are so far removed from it. I am inclined to agree with the above statements that it is very personal in many moments, there is just so much going on we have little time to dwell on the personal relationship.

    I find that a lot of directors get forced into categories or genres. Hitchcock may have been the master of Suspense and Thillers but he was by no means limited to that style. He often explored comedy and action and many other styles. Lucas also likes to explore changing from an oblique film like THX 1138, to a sweeter yet more realistic American Graffiti to the polished Star Wars. Personally i get a sour taste in my mouth when directors are forced into neat little cetegories. Sam Rami has more talent then to direct horror films...thus Spiderman was arguably one of the better films of the year...in my opinion one of the better films in recent memory.

    However, I think the real reason there is such a change is the time difference mentioned above. It has been thiry years remember. Alot can change in that time.
     
  13. Space_Cadet

    Space_Cadet Jedi Youngling

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    If you watch the special features on 'The Phantom Menace' DVD, there's a part in one of the featurettes where Lucas is talking to Frank OZ about his fears that he may be screwing up Star Wars by doing another one. He then goes on to say how he did 'More American Graffiti' (not sure on the title) and "It only made like, ten cents". To which Oz replys, "really"? Frank OZ didn't even know there was a sequel to a movie by a director he's been working with for 25 years!
     
  14. qui-gon-kim

    qui-gon-kim Jedi Master star 4

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    Frank OZ didn't even know there was a sequel to a movie by a director he's been working with for 25 years!

    Lucas did not direct More American Graffitti.
     
  15. Shadow_of_Evil

    Shadow_of_Evil Jedi Youngling star 6

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    American Grafitti was GREAT!!! wooohoooo
     
  16. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    American Graffiti is (IMHO) the best teen comedy of all time. It is a little dated but that's how things work. Great stuff.

    I refuse to see More American Graffiti. [face_plain] The studio forced that movie into existence when it should not have happened.




    Rick McCallum [face_love]s you! (Happy Valentine's Day!)
     
  17. neeldawg66

    neeldawg66 Jedi Master star 8

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    AG is an excellent movie! I saw it just recently and my girlfriend and I were surprised at how many laughs were to be had.
     
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