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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by Darth Venator, Mar 25, 2013.

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  1. Darth Venator

    Darth Venator Jedi Padawan star 1

    Mar 1, 2013
    Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere, but for those not aware - Ian McDiarmid has done an interview with SciFiNow, discussing the future of SW, his interest in Palpatine and his thoughts on Plagueis - amongst other things.

    The article can be found at:

    Its a nice little read and Ian is as wonderful and committed to his art as ever, plus his thoughts on the future are interesting - so I thought I'd share it with y'all. Enjoy!


    Reading the article got me thinking...

    What would you want (or not want) to see in a Palps Origin movie? Events? Locations? Would you even want to see a Palpatine movie?! Who would you cast as Plagueis? or Young Palpatine? For those who have read the book, assuming you couldn't keep them all in - what scenes would you put in or cut out of the movie?

    So many questions... Now, lets between us come up with the perfect movie and make sure it happens!
  2. kubricklynch

    kubricklynch Jedi Knight star 3

    Dec 10, 2012
  3. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Oct 1, 2005
    Honestly, I'd throw out about 90% of the Plagueis book. With that said, I wouldn't want to see a Palpatine origin movie anyway. I think it would demystify the character somewhat. I feel that with a character like Palpatine, you shouldn't see what he's up to until his plan has succeeded and you're already dead. Even though I know all of the twists in Star Wars, I'd still like to think that some day I'll watch every Star Wars movie, including the spin-offs, in chronological order and Palpatine won't be revealed as a villain until ROTS.
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  4. Darth Xalfrea

    Darth Xalfrea Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 2, 2013
    May I ask...WHY?
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  5. Jedsithor

    Jedsithor Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Oct 1, 2005
    A lot of little things, like Plagueis still being around during The Phantom Menace, Maul not being a true apprentice, Palpatine murdering his family, even the way he kills Plagueis seemed like overkill. Yes, this is the guy who screams "UNLIMITED POWER!!!" and throws senate pods at Yoda but I always felt that ROTS was the first time Palpatine ever really allowed himself to cut loose because he had to hide his true nature for so long.

    I also tend to imagine that Palpatine's plan was entirely his own. Having the plan originate with Plagueis (albeit in a different form) cheapens Palpatine somewhat. Honestly, I'd push Plagueis' death back in time about 20-30 years, well before the creation of the Clone Army or even Palpatine's rise to Senator of Naboo.
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  6. darthtuttle

    darthtuttle Jedi Master star 4

    Apr 2, 2004
    The Plagueis book was too easy to piece together what would happen.
  7. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 25, 2013
    I agree about the critisism over the book but Lucas himself ordered many of those 'issues' and had the book reworked something like 5 times so no point in getting too worked up. Concidering how much Lucas micromanaged that book Im surprised it came out as well as it did in the end. Personally, Maul not being a true apprentice didnt bother me too much but maybe that was due to Mauls lack of dialog. However again the time line was a Lucas choice... there was even supposed to be a scene in TPM when Plagueis tried to visit Anakin to witness his creation but finding out he was too late and Anakin just left for Naboo, so going into the novel I was forwarned of him still being alive and the consiquences for Maul as a result.

    As to a Palpatine origin story count me out... not interested. That said I wouldnt oppose a Dark Times story with him in it or maybe something involving his hands or maybe even something like TFU where it focuses more on Vader or something if it involved the two trying to unlock the secrets to cheat death... any story along those line might actually be benificial to the ST if they use any of those elements.
  8. BarkingFrog

    BarkingFrog Jedi Master star 2

    Jan 4, 2009
    I fricking love Ian McDiarmid. His portrayal of Palpatine made the whole prequel trilogy for me. I really hope we haven't seen the last of him in Star Wars. Obviously the chance of him appearing in the ST is small, but I would love to see him show up in a spin off or something. He made an amazingly evil character come to life, and I hope we haven't seen the end of it.
  9. Death T

    Death T Jedi Knight star 1

    Nov 12, 2012
    Darth Plagueis was a great book. It developed Palpatine's character very well, and of course its revelations about Plagueis were intriguing too. It's silly to think Darth Sidious, perhaps the greatest Sith lord of all time, had never engaged in combat or revealed his true personality to anyone before Revenge of the Sith. All throughout the prequel trilogy Sidious revealed himself to his pawns in the CIS and he had to learn how to fight and use the force somewhere. Palpatine also revealed that he had in fact manipulated Plagueis too whenever he killed him, so Sidious gets back some credit for his machinations. He still carried them out in the end, and usurped his would-be master to boot. I don't think Maul's status has any bearing on how interesting his character is. Ventress isn't a true Sith either according to the rule of two and she plays her role just fine in the Clone Wars.

    In fact, a Palpatine spinoff could also act as a Maul origins film too. The Plagueis book has a wealth of information about Palpatine and really adds to the story of The Phantom Menace. Probably one of the best EU books I've read in a while. I wouldn't mind seeing a Sidious spin off inspired by Luceno's work.
  10. BarkingFrog

    BarkingFrog Jedi Master star 2

    Jan 4, 2009
    And I like the way Ian speaks about Palpatine. He clearly understands the character very well. I don't think there's been another actor in Star Wars who really understands their character as well as Ian. It's awesome.
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  11. Jedi Comedian

    Jedi Comedian Jedi Knight star 2

    Oct 27, 2012

    Sorry, I just don't believe that at all. We have no evidence that Plagueis had even been thought up back when TPM was being filmed. Plus, it would have felt incredibly random.
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  12. chris hayes

    chris hayes Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 13, 2012
    Only use Ian McDiarmid for a spin-off please don't I in B-4 the lock [face_monkey]?

    ps.....I know I'm in B-4 THE LOCK [face_skull][face_chicken][face_laugh] :D
  13. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Oct 6, 2004
    No to a Palps spin off. We know all we need to know...

    Snaggletooth however....

    In before the lock/merge [face_dancing]
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  14. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

    May 21, 2008
    Palpatine is an awful protagonist for a blockbuster movie. There just isn't much "there" when it comes to his personality. He is all hunger for power and general greed. He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Not really a guy you can easily root for.

    Compare with Dexter from the same-named show. He is also a psychopath but he cares for his family, his loved ones and acts as a vigilante.
  15. Echo-07

    Echo-07 Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 9, 2012
    Agreed! And the same goes for Yoda. Yoda should NOT be touched IMO.
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  16. Pfluegermeister

    Pfluegermeister Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jun 30, 2003
    My understanding was that the decision to set part of the novel in and among the events of TPM was author James Luceno's; all Howard Roffmann did was to approve that decision (we honestly don't know what the extent of Lucas' involvement in this novel really was, if any). I'm not shy as a Lucas-basher, but if I'm going to do that, I first have to believe, one, that it was a bad idea in the first place, and two, that it was actually Lucas' bad idea. In this case, I can't get behind either of those premises, so I can't fault Lucas for it.

    In fact, I can't necessarily say that in this case Lucas' influence wasn't a good thing, if only because I love the basic idea that, like Anakin and Luke - indeed, like Lucas himself - Palpatine in his youth was into driving and racing. I have no idea who's idea that was - I strongly suspect it came from one of Karen Miller's books first, but both may have been informed by the same source, which may or may not have ultimately been Lucas - but I just like the symmetry of the idea.

    And oh, McDiarmid can bring the dry funny. "Vader sent him to cosmic hell." I love it! [face_laugh]
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  17. Alexrd

    Alexrd Force Ghost star 5

    Jul 7, 2009



    That I know to be completely false.

  18. Heero_Yuy

    Heero_Yuy Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Nov 28, 2000
    I actually thought the ties into TPM made it a slightly better movie. Granted, the PT needs all the help it can get at times.
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  19. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Nov 4, 2012
    Eh...just going all "source? source?" for everything someone says isn't much of a discussion.
    If you are certain something is false or misunderstood, there are other ways to say that decently.
    That whole "Source?!" thing is kinda annoying, to be perfectly honest.
  20. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval New Films Vampire Killer star 8 Staff Member Manager

    Aug 19, 2003
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  21. Son of a Bith

    Son of a Bith Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 28, 2013
    I heart Palpatine.
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  22. Eeth-my-Koth

    Eeth-my-Koth Jedi Grand Master star 9

    May 25, 2001
    This could work if they make it a comedy.
  23. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

    Sep 30, 2012
    I don't have any difficulty rooting for villains, nor do I care for any sort of "mysteriousness". A comedy would also work.
  24. Ryus

    Ryus Jedi Master star 4

    Feb 25, 2013
    I'll admit I seem to have been wrong... said something I heard repeated to me assuming it was correct (bad mistake) and just now spent an hour and researched on my own after reading the replies and couldnt find the source. I can admit when I was wrong, part of learning.

    Still though I doubt Plagueis could be set more than ten years prior to TPM since of the implactions in his creation of Anakin, if he didnt then further back than 10 years is fine imho.
  25. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

    May 25, 2000
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