Amph "If It's Halloween, It Must Be Saw.": The Saw Saga

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  1. DarkPrince Jedi Master

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    (I looked in the thread index and the first 10 pages of this board and didn't see a topic on this.)

    Saw III is coming this halloween and it's teaser trailer has already been released on Yahoo! Movies. The trailer also plays in front of "The Descent".

    Saw III Teaser Trailer

    Reccomended Viewing: Quicktime version

    The Saw movies have always intruiged(sp?) me. I loved the first Saw and thought the second was alright. I liked jigsaw getting more screentime in II, as it gave us more of a look into what happened to him and why he does what he does to certain people. The wordplay is interesting as well, as you have ot pay attention to what he's saying to get where things will be going. His traps are always the fun part of the movies. Each trap has shows something relating to what the person does in their life that got them into this position in the first place. Whether they are able to face this challenge or not is up to them.


    So, what are your thoughts?
  2. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    I was actually really surprised at how much i enjoyed SAW II. I liked the first film quite a bit, but the idea of a sequel just didn't really sit well with me. They got the same guy writer, and as things seem to have turned out, it's ALL about the writing. Loved how the second film tied into the first. I'm actually quite looking forward to number 3 (as it's, again, written by the same guy! Leigh Whannell.)

    And who doesn't enjoy a flick that gets Dina Meyer work?
  3. OBI-BEN-KENOBI Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't understand why these films are so popular. The first one was mediocre. The second one was boring and predictable. I hope this third one is the end of the series.
  4. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    The first one was decent, but some bad atcing towards the end and an absolutely laughable "camera zoom as a carc hase since we can't afford to actually move the cars" sequence practically ruined the entire film in an almost spectacular fashion (never before had I ever witnessed a ilm go down the tubes so instantaneously), but the final ending redeemed it somewhat (and alleviated my confusion over why I was hearing Tobin Bell but seeing Tobin Bell).

    Saw II managed to maintain the overall quality from the first film, with a rather solid twist and a well-done means of connecting it to the original film. It unfortunately also had the zoom-chases, but it was pulled off slightly better so it didn't look as laughable. And more screen time for Tobin is always a good thing.

    Looking forward to part III. Though I really wonder how many more they can do at a rate of 1 a year like this before the series gets stale. Still, this has definitely become one of the more enduring horror franchises- something we really haven't seen since Scream and the 80's slashers that preceeded it.
  5. Drew_Atreides Force Ghost

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    Did you see the first one in the theatre? Crazy as it is to say it, there were some sequences in the film that just HAD to be seen in a darkened theatre to really get the full effect. I'm thinking of the sequence in the apartment where the only light is the flash of the camera. That was GREAT in the theatre.
  6. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The fourth movie in this series is now out...
  7. Jango10 Force Ghost

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    And it is great, second only to the original.

    Saw
    Saw IV
    Saw III
    Saw II (didn't like it at all)

    Unfortunately it looks like there is going to be a V. (Tobin Bell signed on for 6.) And it won't be directed by Bousman either.
  8. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    Yep, this one is definitely a set up for the next two, which have been confirmed to be in production.


    I loved this movie...I really like how they're fleshing out the Jigsaw character...it's cool to see his past.
  9. PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling

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    Anyone get that 6-disc SAW Jigsaw Trilogy? Looks good, but dunno if it's worth it. I have SAW's 1-3 but their the original versions.
  10. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    I bought it for my brother (since I already own all of the Director Cuts)...it's definitely worth it. All three DC versions of the films...6.1 DTS-ES audio...multiple commentaries for each movie...tons of extras for each movie...plus the packaging is pretty cool--with the face of Billy inside the case. Get it...you won't be disappointed.
  11. DarkPrince Jedi Master

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    Wait. These Saw movies we're getting in theatres are all remakes?
  12. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    No...why would you ask that? The films in the recently-released "Saw Trilogy" boxed set are the Unrated Director's Cut versions...not the theatrical versions that PA_P already owns on DVD.
  13. DarkPrince Jedi Master

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    The way you pointed that made me think that the Saw movies we're getting now were all remakes. But, now I understand what you meant. I was a little confused.

    I'm thinking about getting that set now. Don't have the Saw movies on dvd at all; so that would be an interesting set. Haven't seen the movies in a while.
  14. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    Oh, if you don't own any of the DVD's, most definitely run out and pick the trilogy up...it's well worth the money. And, as I said, the packaging is the nuts. I thought about buying the trilogy again despite the fact that I already own them...simply for the packaging--it's too cool. If you have the time and money, go to Best Buy and buy the set tomorrow...it's still on sale for $34.99, but will go up to regular price on Tuesday.
  15. DarkPrince Jedi Master

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    I just got a look on the BestBuy website and that certainly looks like something worth getting. Now, it says there are six discs, does that mean there are tons of bonus features to go a long with it? Like, deleted scenes....etc?
  16. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    Three of the discs are the feature films, and the remaining three are all bonus features...one bonus feature disc per movie. Not many deleted scenes...if any at all...but there are a ton of documentaries, featurettes...the original short film that helped to get the series created...multiple commentary tracks...storyboards...etc. You definitely get your money's worth.
  17. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    I saw all four movies for the first time this weekend. I was very pleasantly surprised, as torture porn generally isn't my thing.

    But I love, LOVE how these movies are so connected. Unlike the Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or Halloween movies, these seem to get progressively better and deeper and more ambitious. It doesn't feel gimmicky. And I love how smoothly each film switches protagonists by taking a secondary character from the previous film and completely expanding his or her role. And I love how Jigsaw has grown, by the time Saw IV hits, from being a complete sadistic villain to something of an anti-hero.

    The writing is surprisingly intelligent and I honestly think film students should be studying these to see how proper sequels should be made. The plot thickens and connects with each movie. I love how Saw IV begins at the start of Saw V essentially. And it seems obvious that by the time Saw VI roles around we'll get some sort of resolution with Cary Elwes's character, one of the only characters not to be resolved in one of the sequels. Perhaps he'll be behind it all, considering he left in the first movie but promised the other guy that he'd return with help. And what of his family? All in all, I'm quite impressed with this franchise, and I'm looking forward to Saw V, which I never in a million years thought I'd say.
  18. PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling

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    Wal-Mart had it listed at 24.96$. Not a bad price for 3 movies, regardless of bonus crap.
  19. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    Wow, I didn't think about that in regards to this latest sequel...that it begins where Saw V begins. Interesting thought, and it makes sense. I like the twist that the events of "IV" are taking place at the same time as "III"...pretty cool.

    As far as the other point you bring up, sounds interesting, and you're right...that arc has yet to be fully resolved...however...it's mentioned in a commentary track that there's bad blood with Elwes in regards to this series. He worked on the original essentially for free...and once it became successful, he wanted his piece...and it lead to ugliness between him and the producers...so it's highly unlikely that he'll return...though I like your ideas.

    I loved seein' the fate of Eric Matthews finally resolved...he's one of my favorite characters, and I love how his role is expanded throughout the series. His escape from the bathroom, his fight with Amanda, and his insane death (god damn)...all satisfying. Great character, played masterfully by Donnie Wahlberg (it's so weird to say that).

    I agree with all of your points. This really is a great series of films, huh? It's too bad that certain people write them off without giving them a fair shot...I'm glad that you took the plunge.
  20. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    POSSIBLE SPOILERS:


    I heard that they say the opposite in the commentary and that they loved working with him. This is why I think they might be building up for his character to return.
  21. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    I've listened to the commentary track, and while they don't bad mouth him, they do say he won't be back due to exactly what I just stated.


    EDIT: Hmmm...now I'm not so sure. I just looked at the commetary tracks on the first "Saw" disc, and Elwes participates in one of the tracks. I swear I heard one of the producers or creators say that...either on that disc (the second track), or the commentary for "Saw II." I'll have to re-listen to the commentaries to be certain...but I'm fairly positive that I heard them say that. Hmm.
  22. Leonard_Shelby Force Ghost

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    Ok, haven't found the quote in the commentaries just yet, but I know I will. For now, here's some insight on the Elwes situation in regards to this series...from his Wikipedia profile...

    "In August 2005, he filed a lawsuit against his management firm and the producers of Saw. He alleged that he was promised "a minimum of one percent of the producers' net profits" and did not receive the full amount as promised."

    Just as I said...he wanted a piece of the profits once it became a smash hit (after working basically for free, since it was initially an indie flick), but didn't get what he wanted...leading to the bad blood (lawsuit). I'm sure the commentary track you refer to is the commentary on the first "Saw" film...which was recorded before the lawsuit, I'm sure.

    It's highly doubtful that the twist that you want to see happen will happen, due to this situation.


    EDIT:

    More info: www.theage.com.au/news/film/not-everyone-happy-with-their-cut-from-saw/2005/08/20/1124435169494.html

    No way in hell will he be back.
  23. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    Saw will be a sextet...the fifth and sixth movies have been greenlighted.
  24. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    A good thing, in my opinion, so long as they completely end it in six. I feel like these movies are building toward some big climax.

    The writers have said that they write the endings first.


    Also, on a slightly unrelated note, did anyone notice how Saw II is essentially a gore-infused retelling of And Then There Were None?
  25. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The fifth movie will be released October 24th, 2008...
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