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Lit If the galaxy wants to explore The Unknown Regions why not colonize them more?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Matthew78, Jun 8, 2013.

  1. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Atlas also conveniently refers to ships coming and going from the Unknown Regions and Wild Space to sell their wares at spaceport worlds in the Republic/Empire.

    There are worlds mapped and charted and hazardous routes to and from certain systems in the UR, but as a whole, galactic economy manages without heading into those parts all the time. However, AOTC:ICS said the Mining Guild had billions of mining operations on the galaxy's spiral arms, implying all the arms, including the ones going into the UR. But a mining colony could just mean droid-operated ones with slow-hyperdrive freighters leaving for civilized space now and again. No sentient would ever need to set foot on those worlds.
     
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  2. Cronal

    Cronal Jedi Master star 4

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    I always thought that the presence of hyperspace anomalies plus the number of dangerous threats native to the region would make colonization difficult. Especially when the regular known regions get caught up in wars after wars. But anyway, I do like the idea of this corner of the galaxy where there is no law and holds a lot of mystery.
     
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  3. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Actually it just implies more then 1. ;)
     
  4. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Backing this up-"sphere of influence" doesn't necessarily mean there's Chiss living normally there any more than Afghanistan being part of either Russia's or England's "sphere of influence" early last century meant there were Russian or English civilians living there. Military forces? Sure. Civilian colonies? Probably not. The Chiss seem more interested in keeping people at arm's length, not expanding per se.
     
  5. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The quote from AOTC:ICS doesn't restrict their mining to the known regions:
    The speeder was designed for scouts exploring the wastelands of worlds lacking complex native life. Zam acquired hers on one of the billions of anonymous, young, high-metallicity planets dominated by the resource-hungry Mining Guild in the galaxy’s spiral arms.
    We know of many uninhabited worlds simply used for resource-gathering and processing in canon. In fact, The Unknown Regions Campaign Guide outright states that corporations in the Republic/Empire launch private enterprises to travel into the UR, taking all the risks themselves in order to gain even more resources.

    The book even states that as far back as the Old Republic era, there were scouting expeditions launched by both the Republic and non-government corporations regularly. Again, the Atlas has freighters and transports coming and going to worlds in Wild Space and the Unknown Regions, so someone is at least keeping regular contact on the other side, as well.
     
  6. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    The Atlas and TUR CG also happens to have whole colonies and convoys disappearing on regular basis, as well as hyper lanes just vanishing, whilst even something as small as the Senex/Juvexs already includes millions of uninhabited worlds. Even if the Guild just set up shop somewhere down the spiral past Gamorr they would already be covering those billions of worlds.

    Sure interpreted miners have been to the Unknown Regions and even have set up colonies there, if the hyperlane is stable and the colony endures, it will became Wild Space, if it becomes part of the wider galaxy and part of the central government in some form, it will be part of the Outer Rim (Bespin and surround are a perfect example). If they fail it will just be another missing expedition to the Unknown Regions, likely to never be seen again.


    Btw. things coming and going from Wild Space is what makes it Wild Space ;) and if traders from or to the the Unknown Regions get regular trade going it will become Wild Space, if not, they were were likely never seen or heard from again.
     
  7. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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    the holomap from the movie
    [​IMG]
    once i have SWTFA on youtube (i preordered it) i will upload the HD holomap
    Note: look at all the planet in the UR!=D=
     
  8. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I did notice a lot of Aurebesh on the map in the film, hopefully it'll turn out to have more entries than the version in the VD did. :)

    Btw, since the map was from the pre-ANH era, that makes for a lot of named systems in the UR. Which would work even if the majority of exploration used to be by telescopes.
     
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  9. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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    well yes but most of all the planets in the Ur are From the Legends Universe, and there are only three system in the UR of the Canon Universe (Ilum, Rakata Prime, and The StarKiller Base system
     
  10. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I always thought it was as simple as "exploring the galaxy has been a slow process, and the Unknown Regions are the parts they haven't gotten to yet."

    I mean, 500 years or so before the movies, the Corporate Sector was an unknown region too, IIRC. Then they created the CSA to explore and develop it. Eventually, I'm sure they'd have gotten to everything, but that would've taken millennia.
     
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  11. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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  12. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Man, those tiny unclickable pictures are frustrating.

    Anyway, I also sort of think "Unknown Region" is a name that has stuck, even as people have gotten, to, er, Know those Regions a little better.
     
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  13. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Kind of like the (West) Indies/(Native American) Indian terms. Or "Greenland". I bet there are a bunch of real world examples of those types of misnomers sticking.
     
  14. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A picture for ants?
     
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  15. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There are known unknown regions, and there are unknown unknown regions.
     
  16. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Also colonial terms. "Old World" vs "New World."
     
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  17. Gamiel

    Gamiel Chosen One star 9

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    UR is probably a bit like Africa in the 19th-centery, the coast and main rivers are mostly mapped but what is in beyond that is practically unknown for the Europeans.
     
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  18. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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    the image size is format is really messed up, it's suppost to be 10 times bigger
    here is a link to it http://i.imgur.com/DcDiKC7.jpg
    thanks



    VVVVV this image is sopposted to be 5000 pixels by 5000 pixels (7.4 MB)
    go to link
    http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/snakra/images/9/91/DcDiKC7.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160525150112
     
  19. GoingInside

    GoingInside Jedi Master star 1

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    Those were regions were actually fully mapped by the brilliant stellar cartographer Nellem Unknown, and he named them after himself.
     
  20. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    With him following up on the work of the cartographer Wild, who named Wild Space. :D
     
  21. GoingInside

    GoingInside Jedi Master star 1

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    Not to mention Frederick "Deep Core" Harriman, who - of course - named the Outer Rim.
     
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  22. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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  23. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Thanks! I'm wondering, are those names you've written, translated from the Aurebesh in the film?
     
  24. Kashuula Korulanlaa

    Kashuula Korulanlaa Jedi Master star 2

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    yes and it's so painstakingly illegible to figure out the letters in Aurebesh, it took me days to read them by watching the part in the movie with the maps, and then i would go on to Wookieepedia, to see if their name after or already exist, and then pinpoint them with map from The Essential Atlas which I am still doing (i pinpoint them by exact XYZ coordinates) for example Ahch-To (first Jedi temple From SWTFA) XYZ is -465.00=X +050.00=Y And circa.1/5 off the Galactic Plane to the upper top of the Galactic Disc=Z
    but it's amazing what detail the map has [face_thinking] [face_waiting] [face_dancing]
     
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  25. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Glad to hear it, and it's fun to see the nod to TOR with Zakuul and to the Ssi-ruuk with Lwhekk.
     
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