PT If the sequel trilogy has retcons (THE LAST JEDI RUMOUR)

So Lucas pretty much CONFIRMED 100% that Anakin was the chosen one of the prophecy and brought balance to the force at the end of ROTJ. Now there is new info released that Luke thought Kylo was the chosen one? Why he would think so makes no sense in canon. And I'm assuming we later learn that it is somehow Rey or Rey/Kylo together becoming the true chosen one?

Where does this put Anakin? This severely diminishes his role and status in the GFFA. I am personally very irritated with such a massive retcon. I'm not sure why they can't just tell an interesting story like the OT without having the new hero somehow usurp or take away from the previous ones place in the story.

 

Well some might say that the PT did this to the OT.

By making Anakin the Chosen One and basically a demi God and making him killing the sith the overall goal.
Then this could make Luke less important.

Lucas did try to make the PT + OT to be Anakin's story, he said that is was "The Tragedy of Darth Vader" and it always had been.
That it was never really Luke's story, it was always about Anakin. We just didn't realize it.

As for what ep VIII will do.
If it brings up some new ways to look at the Force, that it balance isn't just as simple as "killing the bad guy".
That it isn't that cut and dried or black and white
Then I think something potentially interesting might come up.

Or the important thing Anakin did was to turn back to the light, and opened that door.
Now turning to the dark side is not a one way street any more.

No matter what, Anakin did still save his son and killed a powerful Evil and helped to end a destructive empire that had spread death and chaos over the galaxy.
That other evil might arise later doesn't diminish that act.

Bye for now.
The Guarding Dark

 

Sequel trilogy = prequel trilogy

Luke = Kenobi
Kylo = Anakin

He took the boy as his apprentice, thought he was the chosen one, but the boy turned to evil and killed all the students at the academy.

 

Or more like the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA = Prequel trilogy since the EXACT same circumstances repeat themselves. Then again I think this is because Disney and Abrams wanted to soft reboot everting back to status qou of ANH. All the jedi are extinct again, an evil apprentice is killed them all, the rebels are back, empire once again etc....

 

If true, this news is...troubling.

 

bunch of nonsense if true

 

PabloHidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
If you mean mentioned-in-Jedi-prophecy-to-bring-an-end-to-the-Sith-bring-balance-and-wrap-up-Episodes-I-through-VI, then yep. Anakin was.

PabloHidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
But yeah, Anakin was the one chosen to bring balance to the Force by eliminating the Sith. George made no secret of that.

PabloHidalgo‏ @pablohidalgo
Just to throw it out there, what if the person interviewed is referring to the trope, not the prophecy?

Everything is fine.

 

There are enough legitimate critiques people can make of TFA without creating new ones where they don't exist.

 

How is this a TFA critique thread?

Almost have nothing to do with TFA. It's about Disney policy.

Anyway, it's preposterous that in order to bring "balance" to something you have to complete destroy a side.

A chosen one should have been someone one to bring Dark Side Jedi and Light Side Jedi together to form a single organization. That's balance.

 

?!?

The Sith are not the dark side.

The destruction of the Sith didn't destroy the dark side. The dark side continues to exist, but it's not being exploited to take over the light side anymore.

 

When it comes to stories, trope is not a positive word. So that really isn't a statement to make it "all better". The best part of TFA was Kylo fighting the seduction of the light. A negative or inverse trope, but only if you keep the trope going for all 3 movies as opposed to just building a foundation.

 

The destruction of the Jedi does not destroy the light side. The light side continue to exist, but it's not going to be a problem for us Sith anymore in our effort to take over the galaxy. We will have peace, security, and unlimited power!

 

Evidently it doesn't. It only helped bring the galaxy into further darkness. The Sith, through their actions, caused the imbalance. Genocide of forces of good help accomplish that.

 

Well I'm not saying what Palpatine and the Sith did would bring balance to the Force. Remember, the Sith weren't after balance. Their goal is to rule the galaxy. They don't care about balance of the Force. And apparently the same thing with Jedi.
The Jedi just won't leave Sith alone. Both sides are obsessed with destruction of the other. Sith: Why wont't the Jedi go away so that we can rule the galaxy and feel what we want to feel? Jedi: Damn it men, we can't foresee the future! The Sith must die!
There is no balance of the Force in Star Wars.

 

Okay, so whatever our thoughts are on what we currently know of the storyline of TLJ, at least they're apparently not rewriting the prophecy. That's good.

 

A prophecy can't be forever, can it?
I
t's like weather forecasts. The forecast says August 21, 2017, we will have a solar eclipse in North America. And then on that date there was one solar eclipse. It happened, prophecy fulfilled. It doesn't mean no more solar eclipse, ever!

For agument's sake let's say Anakin was the chosen one, and that the destruction of Palpatine made the Force balanced. Then he already fulfilled that prophecy. So it's time for a new prophecy, a new chosen one?

 

That's not outside the realm of possibility. But one would think that a prophesied return of universal balance after the disruption of a thousand-year peace would last more than thirty-odd years.

But the ST by its very nature seems dead-set on undermining the accomplishments of the original saga's heroes. The OT is no longer a story about children learning from the mistakes of the parents and building a better future, as was originally intended, but is now simply a story of the children making the same mistakes as their parents and having to be saved by the next generation.

 

Generational Chosen One's. Or the Skywalker family is the Chosen One's.
Or something like with Dune. Leto II would have been the true Kwisatz Haderach and not Paul. Though didn't one of Duncan Idaho's ghola's become the kwisatz haderach at the end of the final book written by KJA and Brian Herbert?

The OT evolved from ANH to the rest of the OT. Then the story evolved from the OT to then include the PT. The Saga now evolves once more to whatever TFA, TLJ and E9 give us.

Unlearn what you have learned.

 

Modifying title slightly

Rickleo123

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Lor San Tekka mentioned the need to bring balance to the force = prophecy unfulfilled - if Lor is correct about the need for balance.

Whether that means Anakin is/was not the one chosen to fulfill it is different matter.

It really doesn't matter what George knows or says about Anakin (in the narrative context and the circumstances of the OT - before heads start exploding) , because as far as we know

- Luke has no inkling of a prophecy

- Luke has no inkling of a need for balance (his mission was to defeat the Empire)

- Luke has no inkling of his father's supposed chosen one status.

- Luke doesn't know about the Sith,

 

Exactly this. Hamill was just using a figure of speech. He mentioned the chosen one, not The Chosen One. Nothing to see here.

 

The PT just gave more context to the OT. It didn't really undercut or alter the meaning of the story. The ST is fundamentally altering the meaning of the OT by revealing that the OT heroes didn't actually learn very much: Leia is still a military commander beating that same old war drum, Han Solo turned out to be a deadbeat dad, and Luke utterly failed at creating a new and wiser Jedi Order. And I don't think it's intentional boldness or a desire to challenge the assumptions of the OT that drove these creative decisions; it was just a simple desire to return to the old familiar status quo. But it would have been a bad idea that harms the story and characters either way.

 

Who's to say there can't be more than a single Chosen One?

 

Nothing was set in stone for the future of these characters. It's all perceptions and expectations just like when the PT was released. Nobody expected C-3PO would have been built by Darth Vader. I'm sure many people had different expectations for the character of the Anakin of the past. Or how about the Yoda of the past wielding a light saber, a controversial alteration, considering even Lucas himself at one point in the 1980s maintained he's no good in a fight, and that Jedi masters are just teachers. How is that different from having expectations of the Han and Leia of the future? I would say making Anakin the Chosen One fundamentally altered the meaning of the ending of ROTJ. Before Vader was just saving his son's life by killing an evil dude. Now he's fulfilling his destiny by destroying the Sith.

Also, let's not forget Lucas literally altered the OT to better fit with the PT. I would say adding Jabba to ANH fundamentally altered the story by not having the buildup to the original introduction to the character in ROTJ. Before people wondered who this mysterious Jabba character was Han was afraid of. Now the mystery is gone, and some of the character's edge is removed by having Han treating him with little respect (the stepping on his tail joke). Whether such changes are a bad idea depends on your own personal preferences. Being a fan of the ST I don't think the new story line is a bad idea, and wouldn't object to a few retcons, but I can see, that some of those attached to Lucas' six film saga would think otherwise, just like OOT fans objected to some of Lucas' PT era retcons.

 

If the sequel trilogy has retcons...I will ignore them.

 

It's more likely that term 'chosen one' was meant figuratively, rather that literally, in this case. Probably implying that Luke thought his nephew would have become a great Jedi, if it weren't for Snoke, ect. If the idea of a 'Chosen One' was a major plot point in the ST, I sincerely doubt that Rian Johnson/Lucasfilm would have been careless enough to spoil it in a magazine article.