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JCC If there is a God, then why is there evil and suffering?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. AAAAAH

    AAAAAH Jedi Knight star 4

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    that man was a genus.
     
  2. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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  3. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Not to mention Kemetism. Or Sumer for that matter.
     
  4. Likewater

    Likewater Jedi Master star 4

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    it is said Hinduism predates recorded history.
     
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  5. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Let us have correction or elaboration on this. Hinduism as I understand is dated to 1500 BC. The pantheon of ancient Egypt predates this by 2500 years and Babylon and Sumer are even sooner. Hinduism is perhaps the oldest religion still practiced today.
     
  6. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Lord works in mysterious ways. That's what I told my wife when she got breast cancer. Then she punched me.
     
  7. Likewater

    Likewater Jedi Master star 4

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    I was told by actual practitioners no one knows when the religion started because it predates indian writing, ie prehistory. As for thoes others, does anyone still practice them?
     
  8. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    My meaning for the coment that prompted this was that all religions are influenced by those that preceded them. Sumer, to Babylon, to Ancient Egypt, to Hinduism, to Mithraism, to Christianity etc etc.
     
  9. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    That's not logically true. The Aztec religion was not influenced by Christianity just because one "predated" the other. Religions, like all other cultural produce, are influenced only by the specific ideas and circumstances that actually influence them.
     
  10. SuperWatto

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  11. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Who/what are you plain facing? Such a cryptic post.
     
  12. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I just watched a show called 'Disappeared,' and the episode I caught involved a girl who disappeared, got into prostitution, and in the course of the investigation, a dozen prostitutes' bodies were discovered. And then the parents of that girl said "Thank God our daughter wasn't among them." Yes, God is so merciful for allowing a dozen other girls to be killed, but not our daughter!
     
  13. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If there is a God, then why is there evil and suffering?


    Because God gave us the right to own guns!!!
     
  14. SuperWatto

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    Captain Obvious And His Cultural Produce.
     
  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    1. Because you didn't have enough faith. Insert something here about moving damn mustard seeds.
    2. Because you or the other suffering person "sinned."
    3. Because the parents of you or the other suffering person "sinned," and "sins" of the parents are visited on the children for generations and generations, which means if your parents "sinned," your kids and grandkids are ****ed as well.
    4. Insert another explanation here for why you pissed off God and therefore it is "God's will" that you suffer.

    I prefer my own explanation, which is straightforward and does not involve making some temperamental dude in the sky happy:

    **** happens.

    (See, it's so simple it even covers the invention of indoor plumbing.)
     
  16. Sith93Apprentice

    Sith93Apprentice Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Ok, this topic has always interested me. Hinduism does not exist in unbroken continuity since it's inception. It exists in many forms today. India is home to 4 of the world's 7 major religions, which originated there. On examination, ostensibly, religion develops as a system of coping mechanisms which address the unique challenges of terrain and climate. Many religions do in fact share common principals, but it should be pointed out that a series of trade routes stretched from ancient Mesopotamia into India and Tibet, called the Silk Road. It was by these trade routes that Buddhism, Zen and Taoism found their across Asia beginning in China. Christianity is based on Judaism and Greek Neoplatonic ideas. Judaism, actually gets most of it's core concepts and even names and structures from the Egyptians, who themselves borrowed from their neighbors, including the Sumerians. If one traced the evolution of Western religious doctrine, it began in Sumeria, probably in Ur, where 2 different migrations of peoples seemd to originate also. Some of those went north into territory that is Turkey, India, Pakistan, etc. some of those went West into Egypt. Even the bible records Abraham and his sons traveling West probably in exile, probably for some political crime. Catholicism leans heavily on Judaism, but the early church founders took great pains to seperate themselves from other Jews, so many of the traditional Jewish rituals and holidays were simply substituted for Christian ones. this trend would continue for several centuries while Christians worked to make themselves distinct, because originally there was nothing remarkable about the sect and even Jesus was 1 holy man among many who were doing the same thing and preaching the same doctrine. Even Jewish and Roman recors indicated that there were about 200 Jesuses running around doing the same thing. This later became known as the Seperation of the Ways. hinduism enjoyed next to no influence from Christianity, probably until India became a British Colony. I have pre-WWII books filled with editorials on Hindu attitudes towards English speaking Chritians and their Chivalry. It gave me the impression these were commenting on current affairs of their time and they were pretty unflattering. At the least, Western ideas were not widely accepted and definitely not appreciated. A curiosity in all fo this is that Krishna means "Christ" and this predates the Judeo-Christian mythology. To be frank, most of the stories we are used to from the bible actually come from other cultures who were never credited . The truth is that other religions influenced the formation of Christian doctrine, not the other way around. Perhaps this was the original function of Catholicism, whose root is actually latin for "universal".
     
  17. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    I've got one word for you... paragraph.
     
  18. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Can I add two more?
    Possessive. Pronoun.
     
  19. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    What if Christ didn't die for our sins...but because the author thought that made a more compelling ending to the story?
     
  20. epic

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  21. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm reminded of that line in Sleepless in Seattle when Meg Ryan says something along the lines of man creating destiny because we can't handle the idea that everything is accidental.
     
  22. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    If God created Adam from dust, why did he need Mary to give birth to Jesus?

    If we are all God's children, what makes Jesus so special?

    If God sacrificed his son so that all of mankind will be saved, but then Jesus came back to life, that doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice.
     
  23. drg4

    drg4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yep. Good things happen to good people. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Bad things happen to bad people.

    It's all random, folks. Now be nice to others, hope for the best, and sign up for organ donation.
     
  24. Ghost

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  25. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Not touching that thing.