Full Series If Vader appears, should Anakin as well?

Yes I know technically Anakin will be appearing for sure if Vader does.

If Vader does appear on the show, should we see the Anakin vs Vader conflict within him? A part of old Anakin still alive? In ROTJ a point was made that Vader was not pure evil (unlike Palpatine), that there still remained a little trace of the good man version of Anakin, and that is why he was able to show love to Luke and return to the path of good.

If Rebels portrays Vader, should there be a time(s) when a little bit of "Anakin" is seen. Or should Vader in any of his hypothetical appearances in Rebels never have any trace of old Anakin showing?

Of course there could also be the possibility of showing flashbacks of Anakin.

 

Considering that this is only 5 years before ANH, I'd say that this conflict is not nearly as prominent anymore...no need for a Vader/Anakin metacrisis focus.

 

They could show the internal conflict, but nobody besides Vader himself and Palpatine should be aware of it. Everybody else should see evil incarnate.

 

Not really feeling it. I know, we've had several stories where we see these last little sparks of Anakin and Vader wrestling with who he used to be and who he thinks he should be...but those were really early stories. Weeks and months after ROTS stories. By Rebels, being set just a couple years before ANH and all, he should be pretty comfortable being a Dark Lord of the Sith and a badass villain.

 

Only when and if he meets Ahsoka. But only a few hints, nothing more.

Otherwise no, hell no!

 

Yeah, it's not really what I'm looking for.

 

At this point, Anakin Skywalker is, if not metaphorically dead, at least metaphorically comatose. Vader should not be portrayed as anything but Vader.

 

Was it not until the discovery by Vader (and the Empire) of Luke Skywalker that Vader had any "reigniting" of his good side?

That realising he had any family alive made him feel hope again albeit if it was to overthrow the Emperor.

Luke then of course in his interactions with Vader manages to draw "Anakin" out of Vader and lead to Anakin being able to purge Vader and be redeemed.

 

Ahsoka is sorta his foster daughter, someone he knew rather intimately, more than Luke in fact. If he was interested in Luke, it would consequently make no sense that he would not be interested in Ahsoka's fate. Of course "interested" means that he would probably want to turn her. For her own good of course...

The difference here could be that he doesn't realize he is hurting her. When Luke chose death over allying with him, I think that was a great shock. How could anyone refuse all that power, all the gifts he has to give? It made him rethink his purpose and his life.

That's why in Ahsoka's case I hope he succeeds. If she falls, he will be reaffirmed of his dark side values. Because if even the righteous Ahsoka choses the path of the dark side, it has to be the right one, doesn't it?

 

GL says in the ANH DVD/Blu-Ray commentary that Vader is "being pushed around by bureaucrats".

 

I'm not sure how bureaucrats can possibly push Vader around, or why he would let them at this point. He allegedly turned to the dark side to bring peace to his new Empire, not suffer more politicians.

There's not much continuity to that thought.

 

I think the idea was that the loss of Padme caused Vader to forget about his vision and he came to see serving the Empire as just a job.

Of course, Vader's subservience in ANH could easily be explained as Vader not caring about the Death Star.

 

Vader cares a lot about the empire. Why else would he risk his neck in a one-man fighter or talk to Luke about "bringing order to the galaxy"? He loves the idea of the empire, just not always the execution.

He suffers them, alright, until they do something damaging and die of an unrelated "accident" or a tragic heart attack.

 

As long as what we see in ANH isn't contradicted.

 

Couldn't agree more, on both points. Less is more with Vader- I want his few appearances to be genuinely intimidating and/or chilling, and not to be diluted through overuse.

 

No.

Cold, ruthless and dominating - no emotional unstable/pathetic Vader.

 

Not over the top, but I wouldn't mind a bit of it where appropriate.

The thing about Darth Vader is, at a fundamental level he was never really a very good Sith Lord. And that is not a commentary on his powers or abilities as a warrior, lest anyone get the wrong idea - rather it is an observation in regards to his mental state.

He spent over 20 years trying so hard to be the darkest, blackest, most brutal Dark Lord around... but he was never able to crush the candle of light in the depths of his being. He went about and did the darkest and most outrageous and most monstrous deeds, as much to try and prove his utter darkness to himself as to anyone else. But behind the facade, he was always pathetic and tormented and riven.

 

Conflict makes a Sith more powerful. I believe that is true for outer conflict with the world and with enemies as it is for inner conflict with yourself. Only when you are challenged can you grow and become stronger. Vader carries a tornado in his soul and that is why he is a strong Sith.

Palpatine is an example of someone without any inner conflict, and because of it he never really challenged himself. Deep down he is still a little child, endlessly greedy for toys and power. He has a lot of physical power but mentally he is rather weak.

 

No. Vader has by this point had time to "scab over." He's become the cold, evil villain we see in ANH. The only thing I think we'll see of his "Anakin" side is his extreme temper. Losing his cool, tearing apart his enemies, etc. Compassion, indecision, whining? No, these parts of him are dead and he should be full-on Vader by now. That's my take on it and I'm not changing it.

 

Perhaps we should get a scene with Vader complaining heavily, and saying, "It's all Palpatines fault".

 

In flashbacks. Perhaps a dream.

Also if they would something like my Niece fanfic series I'll just die the happiest camper. Vader has to deal with someone from his past life and close to his wife. In this case his niece, Senator Pooja Naberrie. Vader feels very conflicted about it and one can see remnants of Anakin.

 

Wow, that plot is really popular in fanfiction. It's right up there with "Padmé survived somehow and now seeks Vader" or "Vader has to care for a mute Luke Skywalker".

I don't want to see any of these. No sappy storylines please. If you show some glimpse of Anakin, have it end in tragedy.