Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    You humans are all racist.
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  2. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Only Sith deal in absolutes.
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  3. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

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    You are lucky you didn't say "They all taste the same to me." :p
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  5. Zorrixor Chosen One

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    Indeed. In Star Wars, there are also pale white guys with red hair! :p
  6. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Meh, not wild about Korsin. Not from a diversity standpoint; he just doesn't look like I'd pictured him.
  7. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

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    too young for my taste and different than I pictured him (Saw him more like Rahm Kota f.e. in looks!)

    but he looks more nonwhite than other characters so far.. could be could be hope
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    Still five out of six very white people.
  9. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I saw him as Bill Pullman in Independence Day.
  10. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

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    my perfect Korsin was more like the good looking version of Rumplestiltskin from Once upon a Time tv series.

    but Coop... mostly we talk males here. how do you picture the females of the EU? and which would you see as non-white f.e. and how then? curious cause I got very definite looks for my favourite EU women.
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  11. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Does the search feature work that that site for anyone? Cause every word I typed in doesn't come up. Including "Darth", "Sith", "Luke", and "Jedi". :p

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  12. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    There's really not that many pages in there - just skim it.

    Ceiran - like I said in the temp thread, I honestly don't visualize human characters at all 90% of the time. That I had a mental image of Korsin at all speaks mostly to JJM's writing. Off the top of my head, I do remember seeing Jos Vondar as Alan Alda (obviously) and Darsha Assant as Leelee Sobieski (which beats the hell out of what we got).
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  13. beccatoria Force Ghost

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    Don't have a facebook, but awesome, Coop - let us know how it goes!

    As to the shoehorning, the reason I'm mostly suspicious of that argument is that it always seems to disproportionately stack the deck. A male character casually mentioning his wife's family causing him stress, not as part of the plot but just as background texture in a scene, is just that - background texture. A male character casually mentioning his husband's family causing him stress is automatically seen as a deliberate attempt to be diverse, and thus, if it doesn't have direct plot relevance, is "shoehorned".

    But honestly, who cares if it's deliberate? Everything in a story is deliberate!

    So I appreciate what they're saying about that, but part of me also thinks it's an easy out. Characters who aren't confirmed as straight don't exist in a state of orientational limbo. Or rather, strictly they may, but practically, as the thread title says, ignorance is bias. A casual confirmation of sexual preference isn't going to destroy the story with its shoehorned irrelevance, but could do a LOT for addressing the issues this thread exists to address.

    So kriffing well start shoehorning in references to remind people that your universe is vast, LFL! ;)
  14. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Over twenty-four hours and zero official response to my Facebook post, which I was specifically invited to put there. I get the impression Jennifer has a lot on her plate, but it's starting to feel like they're either disregarding it, or passing it up the food chain.
  15. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Given their track record, I know what I'd put my money on.
  16. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    One guy responded. But still, their FB page isn't exactly the best place to post things because of the format. I myself hardly ever bother checking what other people write there, since it's usually either high praise for a book or books or some question that no one ever bothers to answer.

    So unfortunately, post like yours, @CooperTFN, get lost among all the fluff.
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  17. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    If anyone else wanted to chime in with their support, now might be a good time.
  18. Valin__Kenobi Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji

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    From the Reader's Companion:

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    Feel any better?
  19. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Seen it. It's better, but she still seems too old.
  20. RC-1991 Force Ghost

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    ...Oooookay, is that supposed to be Darsha, or the Dark Woman? Because it's hard to tell.

    And I've added my voice in support on Facebook.
  21. TheRedBlade Force Ghost

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    Just posted on the Facebook page. Hopefully the post will get an answer if it generates some noise. Still, as Todd the Jedi said, a self-post on the Facebook wall is not the best way to get noticed. I comment on the page fairly frequently, but had never even thought to check what people were posting to it.
  22. Skaddix Jedi Grand Master

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    Ah yeah Not surprised your post go ignored
  23. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I'm not expecting much out of anyone else, but Jennifer told me personally she would respond if I did it this way. It took a bit to hear back the first time I contacted her, so it might just be a while. I refuse to believe she'd outright lie to me.
  24. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    Maybe not lie, but she is a very busy woman, and might honestly forget about it, especially if diversity is not a huge concern for her.
  25. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Maybe give her a friendly reminder at the end of the week? That way you aren't being pushy, but still show that you are serious about follow up to your question?

    --Adm. Nick