Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

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  1. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    So I wrote a thing.

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  2. JediMara77 Force Ghost

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    Please explain your definition of "female heavy."

    "Something for everyone"? So female characters cannot be appreciated by males, and vice versa?
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  3. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Also, it appears that #DiversityinSFF is a thing on Twitter today. Not sure why, but hey--nice timing.
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  5. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    No, but that should happen.

    Also, has it ever occurred to anyone that Farfalla's bunch were on their way to the annual Mid Rim RenFest and just got waylaid?
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  6. beccatoria Force Ghost

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    AHAHAHAHAHA for half a second I thought you meant the movie about how a white dude saves a bunch of native blue people. I am a terrible human being. *facepalm*

    But this does remind me that people have been telling me for years to watch these toons. Maybe after I finish getting through Gargoyles 20 years late...
  7. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    So the creative team of DC's Batwoman has walked off of the series, claiming repeated last-second editorial meddling, including refusing to let them depict the main character's lesbian wedding.
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    Hope that just means more Blackman SW comics. ;) Though DC has simply been dead to me since canning Secret Six.
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  9. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    DC has been dead to me since the DCAU ended.
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    Oh that as well, but Secret Six/Villains United was at least good enough for me to pick up that series, alas they clearly did not want my money.
  11. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Speaking of the DCAU, the crazy thing about this story is that after Googling Maggie Sawyer, I actually remember seeing her and her girlfriend in the Superman series when I was like 15 and thinking "huh, that must be her sister or something". In retrospect, that they actually used both characters in 1998 and didn't just ignore it is pretty cool.
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  12. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    You should give Batman: the Brave and the Bold a chance and the Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths movie was not bad either. Also Wonder Woman and All Star Western has been rather god after the reboat
  13. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Oh, I've been watching the animated movies--but it's not the same, man!!
  14. instantdeath Force Ghost

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    I like DC's weekly digital comics (I maintain that the format is a great idea), and Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman series is fantastic and everyone should read it. But yeah, aside from that they've really been struggling, and that Batwoman news is repulsive.
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  15. DigitalMessiah Chosen One

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    Not sure if this fits the diversity thread, but do you find the depiction of the Jedi philosophy as being overly westernized in the post-NJO? They've taken the surface detail of the prequel Jedi, e.g. Jedi temple on Coruscant, Jedi robes, grandmaster Luke, but otherwise detached it from any deeper meaning as to what a Jedi is, which was of course one of the core questions of the NJO. They're just Saturday morning cartoon heroes, defined by their service to the light side in a Christian sense. The same problem was present in the Bantam line with KJA and I, Jedi and so forth, to which the NJO was a response. They're at odds with the Galactic Alliance in FOTJ, for instance, but there's never any exploration between why being a Light Side Warrior or whatever is a preferable alternative to toeing the government line, or why these two things even need to conflict. It's a conflict for the sake of conflict that arises out of an implicitly western Christian paradigm to the story. The light side is God and God's law is more important than man's law. It's made all the worse because they don't even define what "God's law" is or how it came to be, the Jedi dogma is just the scripture that you follow and you don't ask why you follow it.
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  16. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    But what of the Brave and the Bold? Also what I have seen of Young Justice that cartoon is rather good
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    Give to Caesar what belongs to Cesar
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  18. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Meh. I believe people when they say they were decent shows, but I have no interest.

    @DigitalMessiah - I dunno if it does fit this particular thread, but it's a worthy subject. I'd also point this article out, which gets into the philosophical problems with how the Jedi are handled.
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  19. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Decent? Batman: the Brave and the Bold was OUTRAGEOUSLY good!
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    Was Brave and the Bold the silver age/Adam West influenced show? If so, I intend to check it out some point (but not soon; I just started watching the DCAU!), but I'm not sure how I'll enjoy it. I don't hate fun, but I do definitely tend to prefer the post-crisis interpretations of Batman.
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  22. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    BTAS and Kevin Conroy are just too deeply ingrained in me to be able to take that kind of tone seriously. I was watching that **** when I was seven.
  23. instantdeath Force Ghost

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    I've only watched the first two volumes of BTAS and played the Arkham games and I already can't imagine anyone but Conroy as the voice of Batman.
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  24. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    I'll put it this way: in my mind, Mark Hamill is the Joker first, Luke Skywalker second.
  25. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Yes