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Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Ah Platt's Starport Guide has a rather awesome chapter on that. I think you own that one (thought that might have been someone else), otherwise I can try to scan it on Saturday or Sunday.
     
  2. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    It was someone else sadly
     
  3. johnthejedi24

    johnthejedi24 Jedi Master star 3

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    You can go to a site Called d6holocron and find every WEG guide and supplement. Just google it. :) that's where I downloaded practically every WEG product, even though I have 95% in print.
     
  4. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    I started Eleven-ThirtyEight with the intention that ideally, the pieces we post would have news value themselves, rather than regurgitating news from other places. I think Mechalich's new Go Figure article qualifies.

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    This thing is going to shape the discussion in here for a long time.
     
  5. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Is this the right time to say that I am beginning to imaging Streen looking like Morgan Freeman?
     
  6. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    No, Morgan Freeman is Cal Omas.
     
  7. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Thanks for the info, will check it out:D
     
  8. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    He could play them both! Streen with a beard, Cal Omas without!
     
  9. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Streen could be Cal's long-lost twin! One was Force-sensitive, one wasn't! TEH DRAMA!!1!
     
  10. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    This idea need fanart! Maybe we can trick TrakNar to do it[face_thinking]
     
  11. JediFreac

    JediFreac Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This is kind of an obtuse question but if a Twi'lek with red skin and a Twi'lek with blue skin have kids then do their kids look purple?
     
  12. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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  13. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Maybe, but they could also be speckled for all I know
     
  14. Mechalich

    Mechalich Jedi Knight star 4

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    That would depend on how skin pigmentation in Twi'leks is determined. It's probably multiple genes involved, with several alleles and a whole bunch of confounding factors. So without a lot of extra data that we'll almost certainly never get there's no real way to know.

    There really haven't been a lot of Twi'leks presented who are members of the same family, and certainly not over multiple generations, for us to even get an idea - there might be some background shots in the Ryloth TCW episodes you could study, just to see what they showed.

    Red and blue producing purple is unlikely though - that would require blended inheritance, which is rare. Discrete alleles each coding for a specific pigment color is more likely, though again, we have no way to be certain.
     
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  15. TrakNar

    TrakNar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Alright, what're you finagling me into drawing now? :p
     
  16. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Well as obnoxious as it is, the Lawquane kids should count for something here--at least where human pigmentation is concerned, their inherited Twi'lek coloration does indeed become mottled.

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  17. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Morgan Freeman as Streen and Cal Omas:D
    Streen as Freeman with a beard, Cal Omas without
     
  18. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    Streen shows up at Cal's funeral freshly-shaven and freaks everybody out.
     
  19. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    How old is she suppose to be? It is the age thing that really makes me disbelief the idea that she is Cut's childe
     
  20. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    She's not--but they made her half-human anyway, because Star Wars.
     
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  21. TrakNar

    TrakNar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm out for the weekend, but I brought my sketchbook. If I can find the time, I'll see what I can bang out.
     
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  22. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Here is at least one family of Twilek's of different colors.

    And some close ups for more details:


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  23. Hoss Delgado

    Hoss Delgado Jedi Knight star 1

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    Not sure if this has been noted before, but I recently had a look at the New Jedi Council:

    Luke Skywalker- White human male
    Corran Horn- White human male
    Kyle Katarn- White human male
    Kyp Durron- White human male
    Kenth Hamner- White human male
    Mara Jade- White human female
    Jaina Solo- White human female
    Octa Ramis- White human female
    Cilghal- Mon Cal female
    Saba Sebatyne- Barabel Female
    Barrakt'l- Yuzzem Female

    I also had a look at the dramatis personae for most of the LOTF books, the only important characters who weren't white and human were Alema, Saba, Niathal, Lando, 3PO, and Vevut. The others only appeared in 1 or 2 scenes.

    Do these writers have any imagination when it comes to character designs?
     
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  24. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    You might want to read the first post of the thread. ;)

    But short answer- no, they are an unimaginative lot.
     
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  25. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    If you read through the background of this thread, you'll find that a great deal has been said about just that--in fact, the council in LotF was largely responsible for the original Diversity Thread a handful of years ago. The thing is, no one ever sat down and dreamed up ten white folks to be on the council--what you're noticing is the accumulation of primary characters from older stories, who stuck around by virtue of their importance and/or popularity--and primary characters are the ones most likely to be white and male. Corran's a great example--the X-wing books were fairly good at including a large, diverse cast of characters, but forty IU years later, Corran's the only one still relevant to the "fate of the galaxy" narrative.

    Edit: and there I go trying to be diplomatic. :p
     
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